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Ivan Sidorov joins the fray and charges forward!

And I can tell you when they land in Russia!

The tragic irony now is that if this escalates into a shooting war, it's the inhabitants in Crimea that get to be the bulletcatchers.

That was never, unfortunately, in doubt, my friend.

Also, I was referring to comments on social media sites and stuff like that. I'd say our discussion is pretty good for the average internet discussion. We made it over 100 pages relatively peacefully. Mostly because the people who are emotionally involved in this have shown a great deal of restraint, especially Ukrainian Ranger.

Yes, big thanks to him for that! Poor guy, it must be really hard on him.

Quote from: Knit tie on March 02, 2014, 10:36:07 pm

On a more serious note, assuming the worst happens and armed combat starts, do you believe NATO will send any help to Ukraine at all? What if Ukraine capitulates?

NATO will not send troops, even with a full scale invasion of Ukraine. There would be no legal ground for that, because NATO only defends NATO members or acts on UN mandates. Any troops, even peacekeepers, could only be sent by the UN. That would probably not happen either, because Russia is in the UN Security Council.
It would be a step back to Cold War times though, with Russia being pretty much isolated.

Then what could stop Putin from just using the ukrainian military mobilisation as a casus belli and conquering Ukraine like it's middle ages all over again? Or would that be too extreme even for him?

Russia has a very good school education. Even our trolls know the unit circle. Regardless, "VK", Russia's main social network, has a well-deserved reputation as a crucible of the worst qualities of humanity.

Which makes them pretty average internet users. Internet comments are the worst place to get an opinion on anything.

Makes me wonder about our discussion here, by the way. We are on the internet too, you know.

Quote from: Knit tie on March 02, 2014, 07:56:56 pm

If the comments are anything to go by, ukrainians are as bloodthirsty and rabid as russians.

If there's one lesson a deep look into history can teach us, it's that the "good guys" and the "victims" are at heart not so different than the "bad guys" and the "aggressors".

All men are brothers. And there is plenty of good and bad people on each side and in every organisation - all the ukrainians and russians I know personally, including one retired colonel, think that Putin is just going crazy and that war is the absolute worst case scenario. People on "VKontakte", meanwhile, are successfully upholding their reputation of mildly scitzophrenic, violently radical and extremely gullible idiots by crying for blood and murder and calling each other names.