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It's not a reset, to be exact. It's an initiative to stop demanding all of the concessions from Russia, which won't happen period, and instead try to actually compromise. I can only welcome that, given how eagerly Putin wants to actually negotiate with the West.

There's also the complete lack of any separatist movements or opinions within them, which were crucial for Russia in Ukraine, and the equally complete lack of any Russian plans on them whatsoever. Kremlin doesn't care about the Baltics or Poland, simple as that.

Ha! So you are not denying that my countrymen have, on average, thicker penises than your countrymen and are also better at using them, thus making them superior?

Also, my countrymen's penis sizes are brought down by all the Buryats and Bashkyrs you Westerners keep lumping together with pure, orthodox Russians! Everybody knows that Asians have small penises, that's why Cio-Cio San chose Pinkerton.

I think blaming Russia for the bombing of Donbass is like blaming Chechnya for the bombing of, well, Chechnya: it started the conflict, but it in no way, shape or form did it force the other side to shell civilians. Or you may compare it with the Filipino-American war, instead, where Filipinos started the insurgency and Americans responded by slaughtering the civilians, and I don't think you can blame the Filipinos for those deaths.

And all of that was assuming that Donbass wasn't going to rebel even without Russia doing anything, which is very unlikely but still is in the realm of speculative history and thus impossible to prove or disprove decisively.

Oh come on Knit Tie, stop spouting the conspiracy theory shit, don't make me invoke Occams Razor.

What conspiracy theory? About the American involvement in the Euromaidan?

Helgo, I love you. In a completely platonic way, but still. I am tempted to make a post about how you completely underestimate both the length and the circumference of my reproductive organ, but I consider myself to be above such childish internet activities, however traditional they may be, so how about we flame virulently and pointlessly about the comparative worth of our respective countries a bit, instead?

@Erkki: Plenty, since Poroshenko and his neonazi co. are the ones who are terror-bombing Donbass, not the other way around.

Also, Russia has taken on alliances before and beat them, as evidenced by, among other battles, the first siege of Sevastopol.

EDIT: But I think we are going into the "my country can beat your country" territory here, and that makes for very pointless discussions, so let's not continue this any further.

Thanks, Culise. So it's mostly distrust and wariness, then. Assuming, of course, that Putin indeed promised all that to Merkel, I wouldn't trust the official German newspapers to objectively report Putin any more than I would trust official Russian newspapers to objectively report Kyiv *coughcrucifiedbabycough*.

But I wonder, what pragmatic reasons might there be for Poland and Baltics to be equally vocal against Russia? Fear of Russian imperialism and attack is what I've read about so far, but I don't think that this is entirely objective, given that Russia right now has absolutely no imperial ambitions whatsoever, rather it is trying to fight the USA's influence extending into Ukraine. So such fears are understandable, yes, but not perfectly rational.

Quote from: Knit tie on January 12, 2015, 05:41:42 pm

Quote from: DJ on January 12, 2015, 05:33:54 pm

Putin could probably sell him for removal of some of the sanctions. EU wants that too, and getting Yanukovich could be a way to do that without losing face.

Could me, although from what I heard Merkel wants to keep being a Washington sockpuppet and running a policy of "full sanctions at any cost to bow those filthy Slavic infidels!"

Learn German then and start reading our newspapers. It sounds quite different here.

I am intrigued, Helgo, what does it sound like in Germany? It's got to be more accurate than what I read in English and Russian, where my comment that Erkki called provocative is the currently leading theory.

So why would the EU want to stop the sanctions?

They apparently hurt the EU as well.