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Meanwhile, I believe in redundant systems and want as many of myself running around as possible.realistically though, those are all just copies with their own consciousnesses, the original you is gone for good, and it doesnt matter if your clones run the whole world, you are rotting buried beneath the earth and will never be able to see the world again.
This is... uh... I'm pretty sure most people would consider THIS sentiment insane, actually. The belief that the world ends when you die. I don't, personally, I'm just saying your statement is pretty weak considering the context. "I'm not mad! Everyone else is mad!"its true though, when you stop existing nothing that goes on in the world will ever matter to you, you are NOT coming back, ever.
This is... not uncommon. I see you haven't seen much of the world? A great many people value other things more than their lives, and would give up their lives to see those things carried on, even to the extent of, yes, agreeing to be killed. I don't think that makes people insane.the world ends when you die, so yes i think the ppl who sacrifice themselves are indeed insane. (or at least have not had time to thoroughly think and logically make their decision).
So let's change the scenario up a bit.im pretty sure anyone with a conscious mind who is sane would never agree to be killed.
You have been drugged, and wake up in a room with another person. That person you recognise as you. You are told that their brain has been copied and given to you. Only one of you can leave alive.
Would you agree to be killed?
If somebody must die, then at the very least someone other than me is going to suffer as much as I must. I am not one to give up or surrender under any circumstances, and I find the idea of self-sacrifice disgusting when I have every bit as much right to live as anyone else. Call me a barbaric, mindless, uncivilized animal, but I'll rip your fucking legs off and beat you to death with them before even considering letting you touch me.yes but are you really going to be running for ever? the both of you? i dont think i can do that... if the world wants one of us dead, i would eventually turn on my other half and tearfully kill him even if we've become so close that i'd rather die than let anything hurt him.
Consider the following:yes... but only if i lose my memory of taking the money and being swapped to the other universe
We can not clone a human, but instead a universe. We make a perfect replica of this universe that mirrors ours exactly. Every event that happens in this universe, happens in that one. The result of a coin flip is the same in 100% of cases. Everything you will ever do, your clone will do the same.
Now, you are offered $10 to swap places with your universal clone. You live their life from now on, and they live yours. Would you take the money?
Funny thing. I view my clone as having less value to me than myself because they're not "me". As a result, if aware that they were the clone, that clone would also consider themselves less valuable than me. If we were both conscious of who was the original and the clone, and one of us had to die, the clone would agree it should be them. It'd still be as traumatic as committing suicide/killing someone when you really don't want to, though.they have as much value as another person, except they know all about you, they know how you feel, and you know how they feel and all about them.
Just to clarify, when I say "mind" I refer to a collection of memories, and when I say "consciousness" I refer to a thought process operating on memories. Duplicating a brain would therefore create two separate consciousnesses that happen to have had the same mind at cloning time.yup, 2 separate consciousnesses with the same memory is very unlikely, but entirely possible if you have the technology.
That's because losing consciousness "generally" implies losing your mind as well (e.g. when dying). But those are only special cases. For god's sake, you are unconscious every damn night, yet you don't struggle to avoid that, and you don't struggle because you know that on the next morning, another consciousness will run on that mind.and im arguing its impossible for multiple minds to share the same consciousness.
yea i was hoping he'd diverge and change to be a better person during the time we spent together, or perhaps become bonded to me as a kindred spirit or soulmate.hopefully we diverge so he doesnt think like me.Hint: This is his plan too.
I plan on pretending to cooperate with the guy so we can escape, us against the world, and then stabbing him through the heart when hes most vulnerable/unaware. Then i'll no longer need to run and hide, since there is no longer a duplicate, and one of us is dead.
Thing is that as soon as we wake up and start to puzzle things out, we diverge. Each of us has a uniqueness to preserve, even if it is only a few hours, it still feels important.hopefully we diverge so he doesnt think like me.
But why does that even matter to you? Why is it important for you to be in your original body? Imagine you were suddenly told that your body is a duplicate of another body, created a year ago. Would you be bothered by that in any way?obviously each of us would choose the other to be killed, we die when our consciousness dies, and it doesnt matter if memories, physical composition, or appearance are the same. Every created being with a functional brain has its own individual consciousness that it will protect at all costs.
Here's a thought experiment for everyone. Assume you are drugged, cloned, and you and your clone wake up naked and unlabeled in a windowless room. Could you find out which is the real you? Now you and your clone are tasked to agree on one of you that is to be killed (to avoid public duplicates). Would it matter to you which one of you you choose?
They are a separate person. So is me in the future.i think you've been watching too many time-travel movies.
What is it beyond that?to exist is to make sense of the world and change along with it, learning from new experiences and adding to your memory.
You in five minutes is not you now.you are thinking of memory, but a person's existence is not only memory.
Hell, you in a second is not you now. Every unit of planck time you are being destroyed and recreated based on inputs from the outside world and internal memories. The copy would be just as alien as you in an hour is.
Please define consciousness.the ability to be aware of your surroundings, to be alive.
