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i never found one either, i think their at least as rare, or rarer than magma pipes.

after i tore down the depot and relieved the elf merchants of their goods i gleefully watched as they tried to leave, only to be chased by the horse corpses that were roaming my map. Stupid elves kept trying to leave from one side of the map, and that side was were the horse corpses were meandering. One horse managed to chase down and kill one of their wagon animals (luckily in the non-evil part of the map) which resulted in free meat and to my surprise, bins of cloth (apparently the elves managed to load some of their goods before the depot was deconstructed). Fun times.

a magma crab 30 Z levels below shot a fireball at a peasant trying to collect a plant near the magma pool. The peasant ended up dodging the fire ball right into the magma pool, i didnt realize he was dead until the magma sea layer got revealed more and i checked the deceased list.

yeah, you can just type it at the console too.

MAKE_TOPIC_AGREEMENTS responsibilities governs the tree quota negotiations (the tree quota itself is a hard coded topic) ; TRADE governs the trade agreements.  You can probably experiment with making one elf handle both, dunno if that would cause any problems.

would i need to type it in the console every time i start dwarf fortress though? and about working elven diplomats through modding, is there an existing one i can use? a working one that has trade and tree-cut restrictions on one elf diplomat, or at least tree-cut restrictions.

i almost always have 90% or more ecstatic with the few 10% being armor/weapon smiths who have their masterworks melted down, and some dwarves who hate common vermin. I dont use mist generators since those kill fps, but i am considering making a semi-automatic one that i can turn on and off manually. My dwarves only have decent bedrooms on average, eat mixed amounts of prepared and unprepared food since i dont have many cooks, but dine in a legendary dining room.

What i do to keep them happy is to try to get rid of as many unhappy-thought causing factors as possible in advance. This includes smashing and slabbing children, useless dwarves with a stupidly high amount of relationships, and useless pets when they have happiness to spare. I usually let dwarves keep their spouse though, since thats only 1 relationship and i consider it worth the labor that a working dwarf provides. It should be noted that if you atom-smash someone and slab them before the ghost appears, then no unhappy thoughts related to their death is ever generated if no one saw them die.

Quote from: Catsup on April 15, 2013, 01:11:25 am

how do you mod in a diplomat? i would like to see them try imposing their hard-ass wood limits on me as im pretty minimalist on wood anyway and dont use much (not that i have many trees to cut down to start with). I'll probly provoke them into war after i get some sunberries though, though it will be kinda pointless since they have no metal armor to melt down (but then again their caravan mostly sucks too).

Step 1: get DFhack, install it.
Step 1: rename dfhack.init-example to dfhack.init.

That will cause Dfhack to load up the fixes for elves, and a host of other things.

i have dfhack installed but what other changes are made by changing the init file? i really just want the elven diplomat fixed, nothing else changed

As stated, offering them wood for a bout 2 times should do the trick and spark a war.
That's far less work than kiling 10 caravans, and obviously works faster.
So i have heard.
I dont spark wars with them, they're a nice wood source. If any then i'd go to war with humans.

humans are harder to harvest for their humanite though, since they sit around at the map and even if you built archer towers that can kill some of them off, they'll retreat and take some of their humanite with them. Its also hard to capture them alive, so you'll have less victims for poking chambers, magma-slow cookers, and forgotten beast pits.

9/10 on aesthetics, looks cool

3/10 on internal safety (too much open space, extreme vulnerability to flying creatures; no internal traps, hatches, and doors to limit movement of hostiles that get inside) this fort would not survive well in a evil biome where undead may come back to life inside, and would die if a flying forgotten beast made of steel with deadly dust manages to get in.

2/10 on efficiency (long walking distances between workshops, stockpiles, bedrooms, and the dining room) walking distance is especially increased due to the large circular stairway that is mostly empty space.

do not engage undead ever if possible, i've seen legendary fighters go down to them since they shatter bones through candy and steel, and even 1 undead can usually cause casualties if engaged by 1 dwarf. Apparently the undeath syndrome gives them attribute boosts from 300% to 1000%.