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really...using lard and butter instead of vegetable oil? i dont think thats very healthy.

Quote from: Catsup on March 27, 2013, 10:38:46 pm

what kind of eggs were you making, like what cooking method. And im assuming you were making a type of cold pasta, if so then i cant help you there, i never tried that myself and wouldnt know how to do it.

Scrambled eggs. They burnt as soon as they hit the pan.

you did remember to add vegetable oil right? i mean before adding the eggs

what kind of eggs were you making, like what cooking method. And im assuming you were making a type of cold pasta, if so then i cant help you there, i never tried that myself and wouldnt know how to do it.

dwarves should already be offending the gods enough though, with their:

-avarice: all dwarves are naturally greedy, in fact, the whole system is based on wealth with wealth triggering aggression from megabeasts and invaders; oh and have you noticed the liason's catchphrase is: "our fortunes rise and fall together".
-wrath: another prominent dwarven sin, it is best observe in times of hardship that would have simply blown over had everyone kept their cool. But NOOO because it isnt dwarven, no, dwarves must "tantrum", be it from a carelessly built child-smasher to a pet cat used for goblin bait; their rage quickly spreads to others and if not quickly controlled via burrows, smashers, and slabs, would quickly overwhelm a fortress.
-sloth: best demonstrated by tenacious infestations of nobles and in their juvenile form; children. Dwarves that just sit around all day doing nothing but making friends (see wrath), and wasting food and resources that would otherwise be used by hard-working dwarves.
-lust: the only thing that causes more tantruming and is harder to get rid of than a catsplosion, is a childsplosion. There is a reason dwarven children do not naturally have a population cap and the circumstance of players' ending up with over 50% of their population being children being common. Dwarves "breed" prolifically, without regard for the impact that a childsplosion would inevitably cause.
-pride: Most easily seen in dwarven nobles, who make mandates and demands and get mad if other dwarves have better stuff than they do. Seen in dwarves as a whole for their tendency to construct massive "projects" for no reason at all.

so the gods have plenty of reasons to want to wipe out the dwarven race, but there needs to be something that pushes them over the edge...

im not entirely convinced the 1x1 pen thing works either, its very hard to tell since eggs dont hatch sometimes even if you dont disturb them either. I also havent bred enough low-egg-yield animals to tell any significant difference between trained and tamed egg laying jabbers in this kind of hatchery (tamed ones dont get retrained). My last few jabberer hatchlings were from a tame one and the original trained one hasnt hatched in a few months now, but i also have tamed jabberers who also havent hatched in the same amount of time.

I have also been trying to hatch giant toadlings to make a swimming facility for goblins in addition to my rat pit, but had no success for 2 years. Note: the toad pen isnt 1x1, its 1x iunno like 5. But it could probly just have been bad eggs, not necessarily from disturbance from retraining.

has anyone seriously tested this or have proof from memory hacking/raws? how are you so sure?

Quote from: Catsup on March 27, 2013, 03:44:56 am

Quote from: Jenniretta on March 27, 2013, 01:08:12 am

11- Pacifist. If invaders break in, it's pretty much all over. No military training, or weapons (other than picks and axes, for job completion), or traps, no violent defenses whatsoever. Fun, but tends to end at the first siege in a torrent of blood.

this ones quite easy, just wall off; and it depends on how "flexible" violent defenses and traps mean. just build cave-in traps for all the goblins if your excluding simple traps only. Or secret passages that lure forgotten beasts and goblin sieges into a contained area that also lead to a arena where they duel and your dwarves watch.

I mentioned that I never wall off fortresses, so part of the challenge is from not walling it off completely. As for my limits for traps and violent defenses: no traps, simple or complex (no drowning chambers, no magma falls, no cave-in traps, no stone fall or weapon traps, not even cage traps... even though those are technically not violent so feel free to make an exception if you try it.)
I do let invaders fight amongst themselves, though, so if the goblins want to deal with my dragon problem for me they're more than welcome too.

ahh but you see we're never walled off completely, the end of my maze of cage traps for example still needs into my fortress, its just a really long detour when the siege shows up and your normal entrances close for some reason and an alternative one opens. I can see this is a very hard restriction, especially earlier (you'll practically need to go architecture right away, perhaps even using wood and skipping trying to break an aquifier). But, do you still allow air locks? because if not it'll probly be gg pretty early unless a siege and a forgotten beast show up at exactly the same time. Forgotten beasts can easily be lured into a 3x3 or even 1x3 airlock using a piece of crappy furniture, sieges require a sacrifice (preferably kitten or child) at the end of a maze to lock them up. Should still be fun though, as you'll have no way to get rid of the "siege" tag until another enemy that hates goblins show up, which means no regular trade and no regular migrants for a few years.

*double post, please remove

i had very bad timing giving my dwarves jobs, and i accidentally gave some dwarves the job to clean out one of my pits by unforbidding the items in them. I was butchering a few corpses at the time too, one of which was a forgotten beast corpse. I ended up wasting around 250 units of meat with one 209 stack due to it all going rotten cuz everyone was too busy to haul it >.<

edit: wait nvm...turns out i forgot to link the butcher shops to my main stockpile (i had to rebuild them to reposition them for a new staircase.