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Looks like DT has been updated for 40.14.  I'd say that should be sufficient if we want to upgrade.

Play the game for several years, just now realize that starting with 7 dwarves is a Snow White reference.

*Facepalm*

By default there are three cavern layers and, depending on how mountainous your terrain is, they can actually span several z-layers and have z-layer gaps within the same layer of caverns.  So, it's posslbe that you'll eventually find some caverns much closer to your stairwell than what you're currently using.

As far as utilization, it is very situational so depends entirely on what you need.  If you're in a biome that is relatively fertile by itself (trees, surface grass, surface plants, running water, etc), the only thing the caverns can really provide for you is underground spores (so you can create underground grazing areas), and a source of FUN!  Well placed cage traps can also provide some very lucrative food and war animals, such as Jaberers, Rutherers, and Draltha.

If you're doing a challenge embark, such as single-pick challenge on a glacier, often times the caverns will be your only source of water, food, and farmland early on.

I'd personally wait until either DFHack or Therapist is updated for 40.14 before updating.  I find having the job management of either pretty essential to playing; especially if we're going to be micro-managing things to level required to essentially keep 2 separate forts.

Quote from: Tacomagic on October 23, 2014, 03:42:56 pm

The file you're looking for is \\data\init\d_init.txt

In that file find the lines:

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[POPULATION_CAP:200]
[STRICT_POPULATION_CAP:220]
Population_cap controls the limit when migrants will stop arriving.
Strict_population_cap controlls when you will stop getting births.

Births, or pregnancies?

It'd be harrowing to have some losses from a siege result in a dozen sudden births.

Probably pregnancies, but I've never actually seen what happens when you hit the cap when you still have pregnant dwarves.

Neblime is ahead of me in line, so if he wants that trouble, it's his.  Otherwise I'm completely fine doing the streamlining.  Most of the streamlining happens outside of the actual gameplay due to it being largely stockpile settings, burrowing, and hauling routs, so it doesn't really affect the actual play so much as just being a pain that you have to spend an hour or two doing it while the game is paused.

Whomever does do the streamlining should post the workings of the system on this forum.  That way we're all clear on how things operate and how additional stuff can be added without the whole thing falling apart.

The biggest issue we'll run into is that, while things can be optimized quite a bit, there's almost no way to stop the cancellation spam entirely without forbidding all manufacturing and mining within the inner fortress.  We'll just have to learn to live with a certain degree of cancellation.

Mid Summer Addendum,

Well, that was unexpected.  Nordinkel had spine enough to subtly change the plan on me, and did it in a way that makes salvaging the situation problematic.  It's a fine lesson that the best way to undermine somebody's plan is to do it publicly and then get everyone excited about it.  Not only did he say he was going to let some of the serfdom in to be ruined through the corruption of fine living, but he announced it was to be based on merit of all things.  This will surely cause the others to vote in favor of destroying the dwarf who has made the most progress toward enlightenment.  And to do once every year at that!  Do they honestly not understand the damage they will be doing!?

I will have to work this into the plan somehow.  We will need metalworkers inside the corrupt portion of the fortress at some point, so it is likely I can use that in order to retain the purity of these meritorious peasants.  Perhaps create a miniature version of my utopia within the fort itself, separate and insulated from the lavish excess that we must endure.

Then again, another thought occurs to me.  We could create positions of power among the peasants.  These positions would attract the most susceptible to corruption leaving the pure to their more sacred devices.  If I can convince the others to promote from within that group of corrupt, then my plans may still come to fruition.  I shall have to start thinking of positions that will attract only the most base among the workers.  Tax officers, justice officers, mayors, managers, hammerers, and sheriffs.  Those are the perfect positions to assign the chaff so that they may be sacrificed to the fell opulence of the inner citadel, while at the same time masking their uselessness behind false accomplishments.  Indeed, they could even be our agents among the pure.  Cutting and folding them into the form I have laid out.

Yes, I do believe this situation is still salvageable.  In fact, it may be that Nordinkel actually did me a favor today.  Perhaps I will not have him so quickly disposed of after all.

Now, to convince the others that we need to post these jobs for volunteers.

You have my attention.  And my Axe.