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There are several known or implied Outer Gods.

The Greater Will and the Frenzied Flame. Possibly one god split into two halves with different ideals.

The God of Fell Flame, god of the fire giants, expelled from the world by Marika's crusade against the giants.

The Formless Mother, god of blood and bloodflame.

God of Rot, patron of the Scarlet Rot and figure of worship for the rot kindred.

God of the Moon/Darkmoon, the patron of the sorcerers of Raya Lucaria, and more specifically Ranni.

Serpent God, a possible Outer God. There are references to a cult that worshipped a serpent, but they might be referring to the God Devouring Serpent rather than to an actual god, but there may be an Outer God associated with the physical serpent.

The Dragon God, who ruled over the world at some point in the past much as the Greater Will does now, implied to exist by the presence of the Dragon Lord, who was the Elden Lord before Godfrey and Godfrey being the first Elden Lord under the Greater Will.

Lastly the God of Death. Linked to Godwynn, the deathbird bosses, and to Those Who Live in Death. Presumably part of a life/death cycle from before the Erdtree based on some item descriptions.

The general idea is that in the ages before the Greater Will invaded other gods went through cycles of ruling the world themselves, and each cycle has left bits of their domains behind. No god fully scours the world of the past before starting to press it into the shape it wants. The alternative is that some of the Outer Gods are more minor and co-oexist with one another, or that some have yet to be ruler and are intruding into the world much as the Greater Will did in the past.

The Stars are an oddity all of their own, and I don't recall their connection to the Outer Gods. Things like the Fallingstar Beast and Astel are not clearly linked to the gods as I recall, so my personal assumption is that they are more akin to some kind of cthulloid star horrors.

Spoiler: Miquella (click to show/hide)

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Spoiler: My take on the plot (click to show/hide)

TL;DR Marika didn't get the world she wanted and was forced to live as a slave in the new one, so she broke the world in the hope of freeing herself in the process.

Spoiler: On the endings (click to show/hide)

TL;DR is that I think Fia and Dungeater's endings are probably the best two, Ranni's is likely on par with the default ending, Goldmask and the Frenzied Flame's endings are the worst.

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General Discussion / Re: LGBTQ+ Thread
« on: January 13, 2023, 01:54:30 pm »
I wouldn't say the elimination of intersex people was necessarily forceful or deliberate, more so just misguided charity, unlike the cruelty various other groups that are more classically LGBTQ+ faced.

Being intersex was viewed much like having a cleft palate, it was a disability, a deformity that would condemn the person to suffering if it wasn't fixed. Suffering either caused directly by their body not working 'correctly,' or suffering caused by others being cruel and stupid. The desire to conform isn't uncommon among people who get bullied for physical differences or disabilities.

Not great reasoning, but I can understand where the doctors were coming from when they did those procedures. Indeed, were I a doctor who delivered an intersex baby in the 1950s I would probably consider the surgery to be better long term than the increased risk of bullying, sexual assault, suicide and murder that the child would likely face without it.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: January 09, 2023, 08:13:41 pm »
Just to answer the hypothetical of someone being forcibly transitioned by their parents as an infant, there is actually a precedent for this. Quite a few really, though I don't have concrete numbers.

For one specific incident we can look at the story of David Reimer.

There's a lot of nasty stuff in the story, but the cliffnotes version is that due to a botched circumcision at birth, the doctors surgically altered him to present as female, and he was then raised as a girl, given estrogen during puberty and so on. I get the impression this was standard practice at the time if the doctor's accidentally chopped a baby's penis off. He was told about these circumstances and surgically and hormonally transitioned back to male at the age of fourteen.

As for how things were going in his brain during all this? Hard to say, the doctor, who saw this as a chance to determine if gender was learned or innate, studying him and his twin brother through the whole thing was far from good at his job, and was acting with little to no proper oversight, and essentially molested the two boys. His study claimed David was identifying as a girl, but his judgement was suspect at best. There's probably little to actually learn from the case other than that children aren't lab rats.

David and his brother both eventually committed suicide at different times and in different ways. Not the only case of this sort of thing happening, but the one that I can most easily recall and find stuff about.


More broadly, 'corrective' surgical intervention on the genitals of newborns wasn't exactly an uncommon surgical practice in the recent past, fortunately a lot less common now to my knowledge. Children born with genitalia that didn't match their genes, who had ambiguous genitalia or who were otherwise abnormal in that regard were usually surgically altered according to what was most convenient to do with what genitalia they had and given hormones to make them externally present as their assigned gender. Micropenises turned into vaginas, penis/vagina combinations turned into whichever it already most resembled, that sort of thing. Not super clear on the specifics tbh, I just know it was done with the good but misguided intentions to allow the child to live a 'normal' life.

It was part of the 'gender is entirely learned' school of psychology. Much like the studies that wanted to determine if 'being human' was learned or innate it was filled with really sketchy practices, and gleaned very little actual information due to poor methodology and low sample sizes. The theory went that if you raised a boy as a girl, they would be a girl, no internal biology would be prodding them and saying 'but we're a boy.' Applied in reverse as well.

It was a very simple theory, and a very simple view of gender. Like it was an on/off switch. Two options, no sliding scales, no nuance. Simple, easy, convenient. Lazy really.


I don't know if David Reimer suspected something was off before he was told about the whole 'whoops, we cut your dick off as a baby,' thing and transitioned, but I imagine on some level he must have. In theory a modern Reimer might just identify as a transman even before being told he was more accurately amab. There might be studies on intersex and reassigned at birth people that could shed some light on that, and they might be informative to some extent about trans people.


Fun fact: As I recall I first learned about the whole surgically altering babies genitals things from a Ripley's Believe it or Not! book my brother and I had as kids, which had a page about an intersex person who had transitioned to the opposite gender from the one they were assigned at birth as an adult. Might be misremembering, but it was one of many, many things I learned about as a kid that gave me a dim view on the medical practices of the recent past.

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Just got an account recovered after someone changed the attached email ID to block me out of it. Took ages to get through to customer support, but it's all sorted now so I'm pretty happy.

Weird thing is that the only thing out of place was that I had a Fifa game in my shopping basket when I got back in. I think my payment info on the account was out of date, so they couldn't actually buy it or something. Everything else seems to be exactly as I left it.

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General Discussion / Re: What Is Man Made For Realistically?
« on: January 06, 2023, 08:27:05 pm »
We're also kind of badly made biologically speaking. Bad joints, bad posture, weird bone proportions, weak digestion, flawed biochemistry in more than a few ways, the whole skull/pelvis ratio deal.

We're basically held together by duct tape, we have no higher purpose other than to reproduce, or facilitate the reproduction of our kin, same as any other organism. That we can think in what seems to be a more abstract manner than most other animals doesn't really mean anything, it's just an incidental byproduct of our meat tubes becoming better at making more meat tubes.

What is a herring for? It's for making more herring. Ants make more ants, deer more deer, wolves more wolves, so on and so forth. Meat that makes meat, in whatever way it can, and most fail. Humans are no different.

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Eh, if Ukraine needs tanks it's better to give them mediocre tanks they can use than super tanks they can't use. At least until they've hit a point where they can use the super tanks. Throwing high maintenance hardware into situations where there isn't the knowledge or infrastructure to maintain them has a history of being strategically foolish.

Not sure how long it takes a mechanic trained on Soviet gear to learn how to maintain a high end Western tank, but I imagine it's more than a bit of an adjustment.

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I find myself wanting to play a Phyrexian PC some time.

A missionary sent from New Phyrexia via experimental magitech, to spread the good word of the Machine Orthodoxy on a new world.

Not malevolent per se, more just indiferent to morality and convinced that becoming Compleat is the best thing that can happen to anyone, and that unifying the world under Phyrexia will end all it's suffering. Lacking numbers, or large quantities of phyrexian oil, the character is reduced to actually preaching and convincing people to submit to infection through rhetoric and deed, in hopes of creating more phyrexians to further the cause and give the infection a chance to take root.

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General Discussion / Re: What are you doing for Christmas? (2022 edition)
« on: December 25, 2022, 07:23:56 am »
Staying home to avoid the moral risk of spreading and extending a pandemic for whatisitnow year 3?

Depending on where you are that may be a lost cause.



We're having family over for tea. Roast lamb, turkey, potatoes mashed and roasted, veg, prawns. My dad likes to go all out when he does christmas tea. I made a cheesecake for after, we've got a few purchased desserts as well. On the smaller side this year, my cousin is going to be spending it with his girlfriend's family and my brother and his fiance are going to her mum's this year. Visited my sister and nephew earlier for his birthday/christmas, he's gotten so much lego and plastic weapons and he was insanely hyper.

Later on I need to make another cheesecake and prep some chicken for tomorrow because we're hosting my mum's cousins day this year. Every boxing day my mum and her cousins have a get together. Less attended by my generation as we've gotten older, but it's still a lot of people.

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Other Games / Re: RimWorld - basically the sci-fi Dwarf Fortress
« on: December 22, 2022, 06:31:57 pm »
Honestly if I were to pare my mods list back to the absolute minimum, I think Colony Manager is the only one that's actually kind of essential to me. I have a tendency to tab out when I don't have any actual stuff to do, and letting the game auto assign hunting and chopping for me is the main barrier between coming back to a starving colony or not.

There's a heap of other mods I like to have, quality of life and content related, but they aren't as fundamental to how I play the game as CM is.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: December 22, 2022, 06:23:58 pm »
The guy who (most likely) invented the Chicken Tikka Massala died the other day. Things a cultural staple meal round here, so it's sad in an abstract way.

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Sorry if this came up before, but is it clear what exactly happens to human souls in WH40K?
Like, Eldar souls are slurped up by Slaanesh.  Unless they are imprismed (sic) and recovered.
And presumably someone who has fallen to chaos would go to their patron...
or to chaos undivided somehow?

But what if someone was, random example, a gue'vesa in service to the Greater Good?

For that matter, what happens to loyal servants of the Emperor?

A lot of them get eaten by daemons. What situations allow daemons to eat you is vague, but largely seems to consist of dying anywhere that daemons know will involve a chance to feed. If you die on a battlefield where daemons are manifested they can literally snatch your soul and eat it as it leaves your body, and they like to wait in the Warp for new souls to become vulnerable to consumption. Safe bet is that the majority of human and xenos souls are consumed by various Warp entities (not necessarily, daemons, but most likely daemons,) at least until GW decides to advance the timeline and make another army of ghost warriors.

What exactly happens to the ones that don't get eaten by daemons is unclear, some Imperial souls like Saint Celestine's definitely get protected by the Emperor, but there's no Heaven in the Warp so where the ones who aren't sent back into realspace go is up in the air. Maybe the Emperor 'eats' them to power his defenses against the daemons.

Gue'vesa have no real protections against soul devouring, so presumably most of them get eaten. Though there is a manifestation of the Greater Good that some gue'vesa claim to have seen during a failed attempt to use one of the Tau's experimental warp engines, so maybe they are instead subsumed by this nascent godling.


Being eaten or dissolved into the Warp isn't the same as being destroyed mind you. The soul still exists, it's just in pieces or subservient to a warp entity. Soldiers who die in their sleep become blacksmiths in Khorne's realm for example, Slaanesh's victims become trapped in the layers of his palace. They have been 'eaten' by a god, but are still distinct from him. Similarly there are devices and powers that can call a soul back into some coherence to ask it questions or bind it to a new form. It's all rather inconsistent, or perhaps just vague and undefined. Warhammer is all about edge cases and leaving space for personal lore.

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Other Games / Re: RimWorld - basically the sci-fi Dwarf Fortress
« on: December 17, 2022, 06:57:46 pm »
Trying out Combat Extended at the moment, been having a few awkward runs, but for the most part it's pretty nice to not have to shoot a random raider 12 times to kill them.

Bugs and mechanoids feel overtuned in it though, especially the VE ones.


Currently doing a VE Pirates start with an all Saurid crew, set up my base so the turret chunk has a big line of fire along the only entrance and it's been blowing away all my enemies quite easily. It's out of bullets now though, so until I get more research done I'm down to my colonists and some starter mechs for defence.

Playing with a bunch of the Pirate curses enabled, most notably the Curse of the Blind, so I don't get letters for any events. Every raid, every caravan or manhunter and so on has no notifications of their arrival. The auto-pause function is disabled by it and my only notification for hostiles is that I have Red Alert installed so my base flushes a lovely crimson every time enemies are on the map. It's been interesting, and surprisingly not resulted in my death. Pirate storyteller is a gentle one I guess.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: December 17, 2022, 06:27:09 pm »
I would say that cookies tend to be easy in general, and typically rely least on gluten for structure (if they don't rise properly and hold that shape it doesn't really matter). The gluten-free variants probably just use more binding agent (eggs etc) and whatever dry/liquid rebalancing comes with that. Peanut butter cookies might be a good pick to avoid lactose.

A cake that relies on rising (and not collapsing) sounds harder to me, though I haven't tried it.

I think you're right, I've been doing some more looking around and the recipe that looks best is a cookie one. All I could get at the moment was coconut flour because I was stupid enough not to prepare properly ahead of time, and the only all coconut flour recipes I've found so far are cookies and 'pretzel bites'. Pretzels or cake will need to wait until I can get rice flour and such, or a blended gluten free flour. It'll be a first time for me in two ways, but I need to start with something and cookies are looking like a good place to start.

Plus cookies and the mild coconut flavour the flour has go together, I might even put some dried coconut in them. Wouldn't be as pleasant a taste in a proper pretzel I imagine.

Friend's going to be in the country for a few weeks, so I can make something savoury or a cake later on when I've had time to go to a shop that has more options for gluten free flour and can take a proper running start at it.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: December 17, 2022, 05:23:03 pm »
Got a friend (member of my RPG group) visiting from Canada, figure I should see about baking some stuff she can eat without needing to take pills (celiac disease and lactose intolerant, not a great combination.) It's been a while since I baked anything for the group of us anyway, so some time with a mixing bowl is long overdue.

So now I am delving into the world of gluten free baking, and boy is it more complicated on the face of it than baking with grain flour. Mild WTF, I knew gluten free wasn't going to be a simple 1:1 substitution after all, but the extent to which the ratios change is more than I expected.

Was going to make pretzels, but I think the gluten free flour I was able to get isn't a good match for that, at least not straight up, so maybe a cake instead in the immediate term? Think it'll have to be a cake, we don't have the cases for muffins and I've never baked cookies before.

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