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The meta varies from place to place, but the tournament meta tends to focus on 4+ armour saves, grav weaponry for marines, stuff that can kill Imperial Knights/Wraithknights, Psykers and FMCs.

Normal fliers are pretty mediocre nowadays since most armies can kill them one way or another. Vehicles die very easily, infantry dies pretty easily, psykers are still best as buffers rather than blasters.

Formations range from brokenly bad to brokenly good, but are usually fun ways to use what you have and are sometimes necessary to make a unit not useless (Looking at you Helbrutes  ).

Allies matter a lot, especially for the Imperium since they have a lot of different allies to choose from.

Quote from: Grim Portent on September 12, 2015, 03:56:12 pm

These days Chenkov is best replicated with some Tyranid and KDK formations that recycle dead units.
I find that strangely hilarious. 

It's not as fun with bugs instead of conscripts because the bugs enjoy it

With conscripts you have the joy of the Commissar executing cowards, or deliberately destroying entire regiments just so you can bring in fresh regiments

Try doing it with Bloodletters, endless waves of daemon infantry pouring from the warp to hack and murder can be pretty amusing.

Just did the http://uk.isidewith.com/ quiz, several months late compared to the thread, but eh, might as well post the results.

Labour 94
Lib Dems 91
SNP 89
UKIP 36
Cons 30
Greens 90
Sinn Fein 91
Plaid Cymru 90
BNP 23
Democratic Unionist 9

Amusingly enough when I looked at the results in greater depth I found I agreed with the SNP on every issue, I just picked different answers with the same meaning, 'yes' compared to 'yes and x condition' where I felt the x condition was implicit type differences, which was enough to skew the results based on how they weight the answers, while I disagreed with Labour on several major issues, but they got weighted higher in the results anyway.

EDIT: Further examination has me siding with the Greens, Plaid Cymru and Sinn Fein basically as much as the SNP.

Handwavey motions*

I'm a fluff>competitive player anyway. Currently making a thousand sons/dark Mechanicum army. It's mostly daemon machines and various daemon-marines (warp talons, possessed), modded up to look more "magitech construct"-y.

Basically the only flesh-color I've got on the field currently are my obliterators, and that'll last right up until I figure how to throw green stuff at big-hammer-wielding sigmarines just right.

Plus I mean I'm playing a campaign vs Space marines and those claws do work.

I'm more of a Khorne player myself, so mostly I throw assault walkers at things (Decimators, Ferrus Infernums, Soul Grinders and Maulerfiends are all pretty great for that) and sigh as my berzerkers/raptors/warp talons/bikers etc bounce off armour 4+ or better while the walkers eat whole units.

If I fought more assault based marine armies I'd probably prefer Warp Talons, but as things are in my local club there's just way too many bullets and too much cover camping to make an assault unit without grenades practical. 

Does anyone else find that when playing the Byzantines you get a strong urge to convert to Catholic after mending the Great Schism in order to get those delicious Holy Wars and Crusades against the rest of Europe?

Quote from: Loud Whispers on September 11, 2015, 06:48:51 pm

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According to the test I align with the Welsh lefties or Norn Ireland lefties
How bout that

The political compass is an awful test, but this does tell me that compared with most other young people, you're really illiberal.

Most attempts to actually categorise political parties and ideologies are pretty awful.

Not the worst thing to use as a litmus test of sorts though, so it's better than nothing as long as you take it with a grain of salt.

Interestingly the party who lost the most votes to UKIP was actually Labour, they targeted a similar demographic. Most of the Conservative voters who'd polled in favour of UKIP switched back to Cons for the actual vote, tactical voting and all that.

EDIT: Labour's actually spent a lot of time in the past few GEs campaigning for the votes of middle class people in England, which are traditionally Conservative voters, presumably because the core Labour vote had no other viable options to vote for since the Conservatives don't appeal well to working class people and the Lib Dems are usually insignificant, resulting in Labour ignoring basically all of Scotland, Wales and Northern England for about two decades.

Then along comes UKIP which primarily targets the working class and, much like the BNP before it, uses pretty basic nationalist concepts to draw popular support among the working class, which swallows up a lot of the neglected Labour voters in England but ultimately fails to do anything important other than split the non-Conservative vote.

Meanwhile in Scotland the SNP has been eroding Labour support largely by being more similar to old school Labour than Labour is, resulting in a huge swing away from Labour to the SNP due to general left wing sympathies of Scotland.

The weird thing is that Wales hasn't really changed it's voting pattern much despite being consistently screwed over by basically every government of the UK from Thatcher onwards, what with the local economy getting mangled by the shutting down of industry and bugger all investment being thrown their way. Plaid Cymru has made surprisingly little gain compared to the SNP and NIs local parties.

Quote from: Grim Portent on September 11, 2015, 05:44:48 pm

Also, all the other Labour candidates have been saying that Corbyn is too left wing and that they need to move further right as a party, which considering they're already centre-right and got demolished in the election, including a drastic loss of support to a left wing party in Scotland, is pretty odd to me.

Labour basing their swings off of Scotland would be a bit weird because the SNP are also a nationalist party, unless we can summon the Owlbread to clear things up I bet it's because Scots didn't feel Scottish Labour was Scottish, not that Scottish Labour wasn't left wing enough.
Also what you talking about, Labour's centre-left; where are labour candidates saying labour must swing right? That's not rhetorical, I'm actually intrigued

Scotland usually polls as being significantly (30% last I checked) more inclined to left wing politics than England does, so the SNP success is as much a result of being much further left wing than Labour as it is being Scottish. A surprising amount of SNP voters are anti-independence, weird as that may be. Labour are being referred to as Tories by a large chunk of SNP voters in Scotland as well as the Conservatives these days, only distinguishing between them with the prefixes Red and Blue.

As for Labour being centre-right, it's been so roughly since Blair was first elected (basically since New Labour became a thing). It's been opposed to most left wing policies like nationalisation of public transport, water, electricity and so on (notably Blair stood on a platform that was in favour of nationalising the railways but then reneged on it), in favour of deregulating things like the banking industry, cuts to public services and support agencies for the poor, etc etc. They actually have very few major policy distinctions with the Conservatives these days.

There's a political graph calculator that was floating around the internet about the time of the independence referendum that scaled you according to authoritarianism/libertarianism and left/right based on your stance compared to the political parties on policy. Labour, Lib-Dems, Conservatives all sat in the centre-right, with the cons being furthest right, but mostly differing on the auth/lib scale. UKIP, BNP etc. sat on the farther right, SNP was centre-left and Greens were far-ish left. https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015 It's largely based on economic policy determining right/left axis, personal freedoms auth/lib axis, and a few of the more buzzword marxist/fascist idealogical concepts.

Essentially while Labour is the most left wing of the major parties in Britain aside from the SNP, they are still quite heavily to the right in the grand scheme of things, as are the Lib-Dems.