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I think that the ethics of goblin social life are very interesting, but I feel that as the discussion drags on interminably it may be detracting somewhat from the focus of how dwarves need a social life beyond richocheting off other dwarves in the tavern to become pals.

Them darn khans

Quote from: S0ZDATEL on December 12, 2017, 01:58:53 pm

-Mechanisms are connected remotely.

Remote controlled mechanisms are already a thing.  They are actually little radio transmitters/recievers.

Quote from: S0ZDATEL on December 12, 2017, 01:58:53 pm

-Drawbridge does not require a bit of power to lift. This applies to many other mechanisms, such as floodgate, doors, hatches and lifting bars.

No power is needed to lift a drawbridge, you just attach it to a lever using a mechanism. 

Quote from: S0ZDATEL on December 12, 2017, 01:58:53 pm

-The temperature under the ground. The temperature under the ground never changes.

Why would it?  The temperature underground should increase as you get deeper, but currently it does not.

The OP is very poorly formatted and unclear, but im pretty sure they intended to mean that these and some other similar things are problems to be fixed rather than suggestions to implement

I do like the idea of dwarves being able to relieve their stress by writing profane sayings and evil symbols (of power or otherwise) on the walls, at the cost of seeing those same symbols causing more stress in OTHER dwarves.
It’s no problem if the grouchy miner is scribbling prophecies of doom on the walls of the deep mine shafts - it’s quite another thing if those same scrawlings are appearing all over the dining halls and living quarters. Perhaps the more stressed in individual, the less likely they are to try and “hide” these writings somewhere out of the way.

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This amused me.

I seem to recall that the big Aztec lizard bastards are also technically angels now? And they escaped the end of the old world in literal UFOs

That's a lotta Sneak Attack. Interesting that Haley is actually able to stab faster than she can talk, given the Order's previous proclivities towards battlefield pontificating

A creature unable to form a viable society cannot form a viable society in order to deal with whatever it is that prevents them from being unable to form a viable society.  That is called logic, it is not a fallacy at all.  It is an example of "one cannot build a house with no bricks", beings unable to cooperate cannot cooperate in order to be able to cooperate.  If the moment the first goblins get together they immediately *have* to hurt each-other and consequently end up killing each-other due to the resulting hatred, there is no goblin society.

Actually this a very strong argument FOR the idea that goblins "must" be cruel when you think about it.

After all, as the current game goes it is impossible for goblin civilisations to form without a literal demon raising a fortress straight from actual hell to rule them, if I'm not mistaken. So the society is not being formed by the fractious creatures that could not create a stable society, it is being created by a magical being of great power to enable it to rule over them.
And when you look at classic fantasy that's a pretty common theme. The supreme commanders of orcs/goblins are very often external beings who either created their society, brought it to prominence, or in some cases actually created the species as servants.

I still dont think goblins should have a biological imperative to be assholes, because thats un-fun, but its an interesting thought

Quote from: KittyTac on July 13, 2018, 08:47:27 am

But then shouldn't the spirit's influence spread onto the monarch's decision-making? It just feels like an incomplete  feature rather than an intentional omission to me.

The monarch is a historical character, so the spirit does not have the ability to possess the monarch, obviously.  Thing is that the spirit is bound either to a previously non-historical individual or to a previously non-existant collective entity.  If the collective entity *of* the civilization is seperate from the collective entity that controls the site, the spirit does not control the individuals but only the collective entity itself. 

Quote from: Dorsidwarf on July 14, 2018, 04:22:18 am

Why does your “avatarness” transfer into the baron when he is made, but not into the king when she inherits/arrives? It’s just inconsistent mess, and there’s no reason either by realism or gameplay to not allow players who are the Mountainhome to do these things.

Same reason we are not allowed to control historical characters, something needs to check the player's influence.

There's no reason your baron can't be a historical figure either, GC. if zod the ex-explorer settles in your fort he can be promoted to baron just like any of the "void dwarves" that are spawned from the ether/non-historical populations