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Roll To Dodge / Re: Elysium - A World of A Thousand Gods (Sign-ups!)
« on: July 31, 2014, 10:54:55 pm »
Reserving because the reasons.
Spoiler: WIP (click to show/hide)
Sheet is less a WIP now. Does this fit into your lore well, or is there something I need to change? Also, does it look complete to you or are there details you need that I have glossed over?

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General Discussion / Re: A Strange Idea about Gender Roles
« on: July 31, 2014, 10:25:00 pm »
fair enough about getting woken up at night.

Anyway, bottom line: if you don't actually have data or something that men experience more stress, I'm not buying it. Not strongly claiming the opposite, just saying we have no idea / it's not at all obvious without actual research.
Although there has been some data that women, on average, cope with the cellular damage of stress better, because they tend to find social circles to discuss it in. Social activities help repair DNA damage among other things. Which is weird as hell, but true.

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Roll To Dodge / Re: Roll to Innovate - Turn 26: Scalemail
« on: July 31, 2014, 10:07:04 pm »
I'd like to give this a bit of a bump, considering how much I enjoy the game.
I second this notion.
+1
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A) Thank you so much for your support!
B) I promise I'll have an update tomorrow, and then I'll try to get back into a regular rhythm.
C) Thank you again!!

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: (ISG) Invokers of Magic: Magic!
« on: July 31, 2014, 07:12:10 pm »
"Lydia! Read! Learn!"
She must learn, and she must be a forced party member! Whether she likes it or not!
She should bring us the books we want! Walking around is wasting time that should be spent reading!

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"Injuries, one of the spells I am best at enhances natural healing"
"Fantastic. There's a small triage area run by local women on the southwest side of town. I'm sure they could use your help. Tell them Jaren sent you and they'll welcome you."

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"I have some basic things I can do easily yes"
"Great! Where should I get you? Taking care of injuries? Grieving families?"

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"No, it's beneficial magic, growth and blessings, it has no name though"
"No name? Huh. Well, I've never much understood magic, regardless of what I though to call it, so I suppose that's little different from it having a name. Growth and blessings? Those sound helpful, can you put it to use easily?"

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General Discussion / Re: A Strange Idea about Gender Roles
« on: July 31, 2014, 06:29:17 pm »
I'm still not sure what your conclusion is, or your supporting propositions. Could you explicitly write them out?

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General Discussion / Re: A Strange Idea about Gender Roles
« on: July 31, 2014, 05:39:44 pm »
It sounds like you're suggesting that in those cases, they do in fact lobby more for paternity? (Are you getting this from somewhere specifically?)
More anecdotal, because I'm not good enough with computers to leverage google effectively for data collection and analysis. It's much easier to find articles about feminists supporting paternity than maternity leave in countries like Canada, and others not as devoted to barbaric laws as the U.S.

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General Discussion / Re: A Strange Idea about Gender Roles
« on: July 31, 2014, 05:29:25 pm »
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3) Feminists advocate for paternal leave frequently.
Not enough information. It matter whether they lobby for it as much, less, or more than they lobby for maternity leave.
If they are strictly for equality, they should be currently lobbying MORE heavily for paternity than maternity leave, until it catches up.

Lobbying equally or less so for paternity leave, even though it is behind, would be good evidence of motives other than strictly equality.

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As mentioned, affirmative action is swinging back the other way.
Direction of swing doesn't really matter. Actual numbers do. If you're for strict equality, you should still be lobbying for male affirmative action exactly to the point of equality. This would not be difficult to do. Laws/policies can include conditional language in them such that they automatically mathematically adjust without squishy emotions or having to touch and tweak them, if that's your goal...  For example:

"Our policy or law is that whenever gender ratios amongst the student body differ from the ratios of the actual population, affirmative action will be automatically applied according to XYZ predetermined equation, to more and more strongly favor the under-represented group the further away from 50% the ratio gets."

Something sort of like this:

Side note: Nice graph!

On affirmative action, my point was that college admissions being a non-issue (which it mostly is amongst feminists). The system may oscillate a little right now, but that's sorta fine compared to other issues.

In the US men and women get the same amount of mandatory paid time off for giving birth to little demons. None. So they needn't advocate more for one side than the other. In countries with lots of maternal leave and little paternal leave they advocate more for paternal leave, at least if you survey media nonsense. Really little is said in Canada about more maternal leave. Some is said about more paternal leave.

Also, there is a reason for slightly more maternal than paternal leave: pregnancy is tough on your body. There is some time that the woman needs off not only for the child but herself.

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General Discussion / Re: A Strange Idea about Gender Roles
« on: July 31, 2014, 05:08:06 pm »
Brainstorming desirable things in which men are disadvantaged/behind women. To the extent that women aid men in these examples versus fight them versus ignore it, is a good way to gaugue whether feminism is about equality versus specifically female rights

1) Life expectancy, as mentioned
2) Obstetrics/Gynecology jobs (~highly lucrative and 65% female)
3) As recently discussed, paid parental leave (maternity leave more common, longer, higher salary % on average than paternity leave)
4) In some colleges, disproportionately high rates of female students, which has prompted male-favoring affirmative action, because equal mixes are more profitable to colleges (students like even mixes and are willing to pay more) http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2009/11/18/us-civil-rights-commission-investigates-college-admission-bias As is obvious from the article, this one comes with evidence already that feminists are not only helping, but fighting vociferously, lobbying for legal investigations.
5) ?? other examples?
1) Mostly genetics, hard to control
2) That one is really tough... I'll agree this is a terribly difficult point in gender roles.
3) Feminists advocate for paternal leave frequently.
4) As mentioned, affirmative action is swinging back the other way. Also, it has to do with application rates, which are lower for men, drawing from that giant mystery of what-the-hell-is-going-wrong-in-early-education.

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General Discussion / Re: Habit RPG
« on: July 31, 2014, 05:05:30 pm »
I just did a bunch of work so that I would be able to afford the Pirate Eyepatch before it left the market.

I think that this game succeeds at what it's meant to do.
It'd definitely got some very very good ideas. The execution is the problem... It's gotten me to do good habits and avoid bad habits, and in general think of my "Self" differently. It's also gotten me to mash the refresh key to try and figure out what is going on, habitually visit pages because it has terribly ineffective notifications, and use a terribly inefficient webpage because they have been unable to make an android app.

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General Discussion / Re: A Strange Idea about Gender Roles
« on: July 31, 2014, 05:01:51 pm »
Let's do this systematically. Correct me on any point, but please also confirm the ones you agree with so we can establish what it is you believe.

Question:

Do you genuinely not understand and are attempting to understand...or are you deliberately engaging in subtle misinterpretation in order to try to trick me into some sort of literal-phrasing self contradiction?

Because not one of your conclusions or propositions do I agree with as literally phrased. And I'm unsure how much of this is written nuance.
Then rewrite them and I'll rewrite my responses. Seriously, I want you pinned down for believing in some particular statements, as opposed to the general vibe of feminism =/= equality. I don't care if its statements as I wrote them or as you write them. So go ahead.

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"You got very close to what I had in mind. Am I that easy to read?" Varkhal asked, keeping his smile while scratching his right cheek. "I actually thought that was the case, to be sincere. Herbalism is usually taught to one's children and I'm not one to doubt you've been taught well, judging by the fact I've been told your work is important for the people who live here. I'd also accept your plant if I had the sniffles."

He just wanted to avoid a line of conversation that took to the former healer's - her father's - fate, since he was presumably dead. "Any holes left by the moles close by?"
"You're no easier to read than anyone else. When you get the same look from everybody who is looking for the healer and find you, you learn how to respond to that look. As for the tunnel, they aren't usually apparent, but nor are they hard to find. Just come over here and jump around a little." At this she gave him a sly wink and took the herbs she'd gathered into her hut. She called over her shoulder, "Oh, and while you brave adventurers are playing in my garden, please avoid the plants that look like they've been relatively unmolested." Varkhal could hear the smile in her voice as clear as if he'd been able to see her face.

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General Discussion / Re: A Strange Idea about Gender Roles
« on: July 31, 2014, 04:51:31 pm »
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Proposition 2: Feminists have not actively worked to improve male life expectancy.
This is the best of the three insofar as actually being decent evidence of your conclusion. It is a bit esoteric, though. A more generic/mainstream example would be better.
I agree this was his strongest point, hence it not being labeled as a non sequitur. The problem is there are so many counter examples. Feminism has improved life expectancy some, and quality of life a lot.

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