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Quote from: Dovale on September 25, 2013, 06:24:44 pm

Quote from: Waparius on September 21, 2013, 07:44:20 pm

Depending on how cooking and eating eventually evolve, food-scraps may become a thing, and feed-bins could be used to get rid of some of your refuse as well. Goats and pigs suddenly become extremely useful.

Cold blooded killers could dispose of corpses by feeding them to pigs or other such critters (presuming there are no witnesses or that these witnesses are being munched on right now). Some critters could develop a taste for dwarven flesh; man-eater could be a form of insanity in animals.

Sorry for changing the subject.

That would be a very interesting take on how we train animals into war animals... or add a new use for animals, anti-species berserkery units.

I was actually thinking of a way for criminals to evade  justice; right now they don't take much safety measures other than pinning blame on someone else.

But training animals to hunt some kind of unit by feeding it that kind of unit sounds right. You could have a pit of wolves starving for invading goblins.

How about some of the dwarfs in your own fortress remaining loyal to the old establishment? Conspiracies and revolutions are neat.

Breaking off from your civ and founding your own is planned, as is further control over the kingdom when the king arrives (sometimes referred to as "kingdom mode" by forumists).

Can you drop some links to other topics about this for further reading, please? About the breaking off part.

Quote from: Kiloku on August 17, 2013, 03:19:46 pm

Titans made of snow could cause it to snow, and recompose their body from the snowfall!

Ooh, nasty. I like it.

I also like it.

Although it could work out to be pretty messy if every town along the way was being tormented by some creature, perhaps only certain "emissaries of the evil gods" or "mother night creatures" should possess such powers?

Only the evil gods? Anyway, that sounds right; it should be rare.

Like the idea. There could also be a blood rain when a Titan enters the location. Or there could be a sea monster that floods everything when it appears, if you are, say, living on the edge of an ocean.

Poseidon comes to mind. Would a Dionysius-like deity cause wine floods? That would be so neat.

And then there would be conflicting views on deities: land dwellers hate the sea monster as a devil while merpeople love it as a god.

I'm not seeing nearly enough differentiation amongst possible factions and among dwarves for factions to work in DF.
 
One problem with Tropico-style factions in DF is that DF does not yet have opposing pairs of ideologies.  No Armok vs the Carp God, no communist worker's paradise vs democracy's controlled chaos.
 
Another problem is how to sort out what faction(s) best appeal to each dwarf.  Dorfs float amongst several roles as needed, and as labors are enabled.  Nobles double as laborers when not doing their noble duties.  Beardy brains might explode if they try to decide what faction to support.

That's one of the reasons I proposed that these loyalties would work directly between the dwarfs themselves instead of between the dwarfs and the "entities" they are a part of (I don't think official factions are needed for this to work).

I agree that dwarfs should be able to make decisions on their own personal ideologies, as soon as these have been built on. But, I think their degree of contentment (if they like the current ruler or are afraid of taking a stand) and the ambitious conspirer's charisma (the social skills as they are now) and material resources (bribes) would be the most important factors.

Of course, like-minded people would be more likely to be allies; I think we can all agree on that. How would you construct this opposing-ideologies-system-thingy?

Took me a while to process all that you wrote. Sorry if I'm missing some important point.

Some creatures or artifacts would alter the surrounding temperature and/or moisture by just being there.

Some creatures the likes of the white walkers would keep bodies of water in your region frozen for as long as they stayed there, while some other sort of evil thing would evaporate your whole water supply.

Remember the cursed crown that turned Simon into the Ice King? I'd like that too. A corrupted, deranged tyrant would keep its people in everlasting winter, summoning blizzards, blizzard men and ice wolfs when dissatisfied with the size of his ice statue garden (that never has enough statues of himself).

Also, appeasing the rain gods through dance, blood sacrifices for shorter or longer seasons and other such things, would fit well with some civilizations.

I don't care for HP. I much prefer the current system, where each body part has a greater or lesser chance of becoming unusable. And then there's blood wich is like hp you loose over time.

I like all these ideas so far.