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I don't know why but reading this made me thing of how the factions work in Tropico 4 where each group wants certain things done and they have multiple followers who will show more or less interest depending on there preferences and skills. Think that would work better than with loyalty to other Dwarfs as you get to the point with long term forts everyone will be everyone's friend unless you really avoid dwarfs mixing.

Have the different factions/guilds want a set direction for the fort to go such as banning exports , dedicated zones and all manner of other ideas and if they get ignored for too long they start to plot to over throw the nobles or conspire with enemies of the fort even build alliances  and start a civil war if they get the numbers.

I don't know about Tropico 4, but that makes sense with guilds in play, each reaching for its economic interests. On the other hand, would disgruntled fishmongers plot to overthrow the government? Would a fishmonger take the throne? I would prefer to see a demagogue gathering the support of fishmongers, among other disgruntled people, to place himself or someone of his liking on the throne. I suppose I personally prefer courtly intrigue to worker's unions.

The loyalty thing would make more sense once dwarfs have more personality, an inclination to befriend like-minded people and antagonize the ones who are different. I think it would add a cool new dimension who could express itself through big things like politics, or small things like bad blood between two different small families or groups of friends.

Having the ability to spit in the eyes of random people would be nice. Can that be a skill?

Would these stunts relate to bar bets? Please say yes.

Oh, and add drunkenness to the factors that increase the odds of attempting a stunt.

You'd want different loyalty traits for different groups that the dwarf is a member of. But other than that, yes.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding. You mean like there would be a different personality trait for "binding" a dwarf to each different kind of group he is a part of? Sort of like “loyalty to family” and “loyalty to government”?

If not, please elaborate.

If so, I disagree. Imagine the captain of the guard has a close relative that is a pretender to the throne. Who would he stand by when the revolution starts? Maybe if he were predetermined to be more loyal to family than to government he would turn against the king. But what if he spent more quality time with the king than with his own family? Should his choice be based on his personality (which doesn't change over time) or on his current relations with others?

I think it would be better with a single loyalty trait that dictates how much one's bonds matter in relation to other things (like bribes!). Bonds of loyalty would build up by time spent interacting and each other's social skills. If it comes to having to pick a side, one side would have more weight on one's loyalties than another but this shouldn't be set in stone like personality traits are.

This goes with what I added to the first post. I hope I’m not rambling.

I believe that it's sorta-stimulated on cultural level in worldgen, a civ can't occuip 'deeper' or 'shallower' site without getting used to closer site, like, I believe, elves cannot occuip mountainhome without first getting used to a city.

Though that's been a while since I actually looked up worldgen conquest mechanism.

I wasn't aware of that.

Still, that’s a civilization's culture adaptating to another environment. There should be some drawbacks for creatures biologically adapted to a specific environment living in a much different one.

So, there's been some talk about adoption.

How about adoption of lost children by animals? This would give raise to awesome stories akin to the legendary foundation of Rome.

Say a baby dwarf is adopted by wolves: you get a child that walks around naked, doesn't talk, has high level biting skill and displays the behaviors of wolves.

Maybe possessed dwarves would pass on the spirit(s) that possess them onto the artifacts they create?

OR the soulds of the victims of fell mood dwarves would be trapped in the items they are turned into.

Dwarves would never start out as plants. That is so elf-like.

Seriously now, dwarves are probably the only civilized beings who SHOULDN'T suffer drawbacks from living in deep-sites, as being suited for underground life is one of their things.