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They come too early. On my current fort I managed to move everything to the other side of the river to avoid people harassing cave creatures. I was successful, and none followed us. We even managed to build and unbuild the bridge everytime we had to let migrants in. So, feeling free of the menace from the cave-people who didn't even have a cave any longer, I started building walls around my camp, leaving the river section for last. Well, winter came, and the river freezed, for a very short time. Three niths made it into my camp nevertheless, two picked the fight with the wrong opponet and got eaten by a drowspider, the third killed my warband marshal, who had a bloodsteel scourge. The fight went like this: Miss, Counterstrike Miss, Miss, Counstrike, Niths shatters Marshal's finger, Miss, Niths scratches Marshal's brain out. I couldn't have prepared a cage halley by that time, especially you consider the huge number of cave creatures. Hell, it's like a David and Goliath situation, where David comes in Goliath's home, wanders around for a time, then breaks all his bones and shatters his skull with Goliath having no way to oppose. AND IS STILL DEPICTED AS A NICE, VERY FRIENDLY GUY.
Anyway, talking about tokens, would an evil pet go after "benign" creatures?

I would, but... Isn't the thread dead or something like that? And yes, it would. Have you any skill with stonesense to make them?

Invaders always used to be a renewable source of their metals, "goblinite". The best types of leather armors give an iron-grade protection, so once invaders come you could just drop the leather armor industry (except maybe for the wairpaintable central armorpiece) and start a metal industry out of the rusty iron goblins bring - IF you manage to kill them in first place, however. Elves will also bring you mithril bars at an affordable price, so you can even just go for mithril gear. Bones aren't that vital either, you can make furniture out of it, but you could just make it out of clay or wood without bloodshed. I'm talking about the mod's balance, not roleplaying here.

Vanilla Kobolds ethics are agains butchering sapients. Meph must've modded them to be fine with it. It's satisfying to butcher a nymph, a leprechaun, a centaur or whatever, but I rather attain to realism.

About the embark, my kobolds charged, the animals ran back, and my clubbold got pushed to death by two blobs. Restarted and moved to the other side of the river. Started building a dininghouse. Then migrants came. There's a legendary leatherworker with them. Between them (him) and my camp there is a river and hundreds of cave animals, which will be probably very pissed for the sun now. Wish me good luck. I'm almost done building the bridge.
EDIT: They made it fine. And my clubbold got killed by a blob. Again.
EDIT: Tried a new building design. It's less expensive than making the ramps ring over the building's walls, but the result is an ugly cupola.
EDIT: Now this is a building!
This a Stoneware Bricks Building. The buiding is encrusted with wooden planks, wooden doors and decorated with wooden chairs and tables. It menaces with spikes of wooden roof.
Seriously, I'm making the furniture out of wood since clay doesn't seemingly make sense for some things...
A Clay Table with a drawer:
I don't want that thing, not in my dining room.

Ran a test with the Workbench yesterday night. I managed to build this up before the first migration wave came. I had some problems in the construction phase (i.e. a plank got stuck where it shouldn't have and nobody took it away) and animals and people outside were getting eaten by Dragon Raptors, so I guess I can build even faster than that.

EDIT:
New embark, a cave by a river. I spent most my points for a Bloodsteel, flail, scourge and club. I have just a pair of Rats and Shalswars. The first seconds of the game:
The cave got broken and there are hundreds of cave beetles and gremlins scattered above ground. What shall I say, if not THERE WILL BE ONLY OOOOOOOOOOOOOONEEEEE!

Take a look at my screenshot on What's happening on your fort, see how many Niths there were. Niths don't naturally attack nor get attacked by military or animals - they just follow your population around by a safety distance, and that is good, because when they eventually get trampled by a Kobold, a Shalswar or whatever they scratch or rip off his brain in one or two hits. I tried once to chase them with melee bolds. But they just ran out of the map. I guess this happens because I don't wall myself in fast enough. But tell me - what's your strategy on settlement planning? Underground bases like molemen or above ground walled camps with houses and stuff, or maybe both?