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A tile must be bigger than that though.
As, if all but one where lying down, you could fit infinitely many whales in the space!

TRAPS?! What is this heresy!
I say if you have no metal that Wrestlers and maybe cross-bowmen are the only true way!

I generally bring Sheep if i know i'll have grass and am planning a shallow-fort with external defenses, Or Pigs if planning a deep fort with internal defenses.
Normally 1 male and 2 females.
Pigs are nice as they don't need to graze but unlike Sheep they don't produce wool.
I normally keep any useful animals (cows, goats, sheep...) that come with migrant waves in the hope of getting a breeding pair.
Goats are only better than sheep if you want bones and don't care about wool.

I keep the Male population to One adult, and the female pop depends on the fort pop. In the early years the meat from the males is enough to supplement the farms but later I'll start taking some females to slow the population growth(and save some precious FPS).

The true dwarf would accept their fate! We all know that you need an Anvil to make more Anvils.

You aren't thinking of a full capitalist fort, proper Anarcho-capitalism can't be controlled.

Making an option 'seem more preferable' would be what you currently do of ordering things to be done, and again from the viewpoint of a capitalist(which i am very much not, but have studied economics) would be distorting the market and apparently would lead to failure.


Of course what capitalists think is generally wrong as ,unlike most pro-capitalists, we aren't all just machines wanting to be 'better' than others. (you note that very few capitalists even mention Charity when talking about how important greed is).

Hospitals are actually commonly used examples of Why capitalism doesn't always work, as that's what's called a "merit good";

As can be shown without intervention the amount produced would be PQ but if more was produced up to PQ1 society as a whole would benefit.
While people might benefit privately from vaccination and treatment they would also benefit from other people's vaccination, the more people vaccinated the better. Which is why Hospitals should/are Nationalised.

The Military is a different example of why Capitalism doesn't work, in that it's what's called a "Public Good", in that everyone benefits from its existance and them benefiting does not degrade or use-up the resource. As such they have no reason to pay for it as their marginal cost is 0, but the first persons marginal cost is the total cost and so they would not pay since it is astronomically expensive, so public goods do not exist in anarcho-capitalism.



I realise this thread has gone off topic and gone from a "my friend is from 70s america" to a "Economics 101" but i see nothing wrong in that.

One interesting thing i've noticed is that most people associate Anarcho-Capitalism with post-apocalyptic settings (everyman for himself, and high inequality) while they associate Communism with Utopia (perfect eqaulity, no resource scarcity).

Quote from: Kerbalrocketry on August 09, 2013, 09:19:00 am

Actually thinking about it.
IF Dwarf Fortress used Capitalism, what would the players roll be?!   

Currently you are the overseer, assigning projects. Dwarfs take what they need from the common storage and do any work that needs doing, in a system of 'From each according to his ability, to each according to his need' . If a dwarf is injured they can go to the hospital, if they are hungry they can take food. Their is no rationing as everything is assumed to be in surplus (which is seen to be the condition for true communism).
Of course once things stop being in excess your fort starts to fail. But that would be true of a capitalistic fort, except in that case it would take more to fix than just importing food or expanding a hospital.

Under capitalism you would have to do nothing but watch as your dwarfs set up industries. Of course you would never see a hospital till you start getting very rich dwarfs, and every room would have its own defenses and military. However the player can do nothing, as any influence would mean it wasn't capitalism.

With that gameplay idea, the player's role would be to be the 'invisible hand', adjusting price and demand modifier. It's also not be very DFish at all in model and you'd have to pray that they have brain enough to remember farming with how valuable trap parts can be and sieges.

Though if you want a peek at how captialism works in DF, play 40d with economics enabled ( I don't expect new economy for in-fortress to work similarly )

Eh?
A: what's a 'price and demand modifier' i've studied economics and never heard that phrase and google turns up nothing.
B: that's not what the 'invisible hand' is. It's a metaphor for how markets work and is actually an argument AGAINST the type of interference a player would introduce saying that ANY thing the player does is WRONG.
C: 40d 'economics' was disabled for a reason. In that it was bollocks.

They never bring anything that good so unless you have a Dwarven Atom Smasher or magma incinerator there's no point killing the caravan.
Of course if you do, then kill them and take anything good and then destroy it all.