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[malimbar04]

My two doctors are dabbling in all skills, and there isn't a way that I know of to teach doctor skills to another dwarf. I have read once upon a time that you can drop a dwarf or stab them deliberately, but I'd rather not scar my dwarves for life by experimenting on them. Besides, that could easily give bad moods I would think.

Is there a more ethical way to train your doctors, so that you don't have to torture your own citizens?

[JinF]

Send your dwarves to fight ambushes and sieges with little armor.

[Tirion]

You can mod in workshops and reactions using and thus training the doctor skills, but in vanilla the only way they gain those skills is by operating on your wounded dwarfs.

[NecroRebel]

Of course there's an ethical way to train doctors! Toss children off short cliffs. Since they're not useful adults, injuring them isn't a waste of valuable labor, and since they're not nobles, it's ethical to use short cliffs instead of tall ones!

[malimbar04]

Of course there's an ethical way to train doctors! Toss children off short cliffs. Since they're not useful adults, injuring them isn't a waste of valuable labor, and since they're not nobles, it's ethical to use short cliffs instead of tall ones!

:O

I'm actually saving all my children with the intent of making an entire second generation of dwarves to run the fort, so not using them as lab rats. They're the future man (say this in your best hippy accent).

Modding in practice stations using medical skills though sounds awesome. I imagine using thread + some animal part to train suturing, or using bones + cloth to train bone setting, and some sort of butchering meat reaction to train surgeon. I'm a fan of staying true to vanilla, so maybe my dwarves will just suck at it, but for future versions I think I'll do this.

[Loud Whispers]

Look at it this way - This is the past. No one's too keen about passing on information beyond experience.

There's no way to learn surgery without seeing corpses.

Dwarf Fortress.

[darkflagrance]

I've run many forts with no more than a starting lv 5 diagnoser with 2 surgery and all medical labors enabled. Other doctors are appointed from random migrants with any kind of medical skills (on whom I proceed to enable ALL medical labors) or simply recruited from otherwise useless, jobless peasants. Since I almost always run Fortress Defense or some implementation of it, I always get tons of horrific injuries. Strangely enough, I've never run into problems with my doctors or treatment of injuries (unless one got killed of course). Still, it's possible that I was too busy worrying about the next Tigerman siege to bother with minor medical inefficiencies.

In other words, I'm not entirely sure that good doctors are really a necessity at all.

[Ifeno]

like...HOW ethical is ethical?  Like...on a scale from 1 to 10?  Cause i have a whole rainbow of thoughts...

[i2amroy]

I know that having a better diagnoser decreases the number of times/how long it takes before a patient is successfully diagnosed, so if you have a large number of wounded that can help a little bit. OTher then that I'm fairly certain that the only real benefit to having better doctors is a slightly decreased rate of infection, which if you keep your dwarves clean and have extra soap in the hospital only happens very rarely anyways.

[Azated]

OTher then that I'm fairly certain that the only real benefit to having better doctors is a slightly decreased rate of infection

Doctors can also fix broken bones so that dwarves can move around and use their limbs again.

[i2amroy]

OTher then that I'm fairly certain that the only real benefit to having better doctors is a slightly decreased rate of infection

Doctors can also fix broken bones so that dwarves can move around and use their limbs again.

Yeah but any doctor with bone setting, regardless of skill level, can set bones. All that skills determines is that they set them a tiny bit faster. The main point was that other then with diagnosis it really isn't that important to have skilled doctors versus having unskilled ones.

[Sus]

Got to love that Dwarven medicine.
Novice bone doctor + traction bench + splint + gypsum = teh healz.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(OUCH!)

Also,
what's an "ethical"?

[Yaotzin]

OTher then that I'm fairly certain that the only real benefit to having better doctors is a slightly decreased rate of infection

Doctors can also fix broken bones so that dwarves can move around and use their limbs again.

Yeah but any doctor with bone setting, regardless of skill level, can set bones. All that skills determines is that they set them a tiny bit faster. The main point was that other then with diagnosis it really isn't that important to have skilled doctors versus having unskilled ones.

Perhaps it also affects the chance of those dreaded permanent yellow wounds getting healed? I've had "impaired ability to grasp" get healed a few times, for example.

Ultimately it doesn't really matter though, because you can't train doctors in any reasonable way, anyway. So just make doctors out of appropriate migrants and hope for the best.

[Wastedlabor]

Select every dwarf that "doesn't like to help others".

Make them equip nothing.

Walk them through a forgotten beast extract chamber.

Then through the showers.

Then to the hospital.

For the greater good of dwarfhood.

[peskyninja]

Ethics and dwarf fortress? Good one.