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Author Topic: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!  (Read 45410 times)

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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #180 on: March 03, 2012, 11:46:12 am »

...the fuck?
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« Reply #181 on: March 03, 2012, 11:49:40 am »

He also clearly has Stockholm syndrome.
I wouldn't say that dogs have Stockholm Syndrome so much as they have a social psychology that is mostly alien to humans. Wolves, and by extension the dogs that evolved from them, live in pack structures without human intervention. The social rules of a pack, or at least the ones that we are capable of discerning, are very different from those in human society.
At least he doesn't has the top of his skull replaced with a plastic cover. My brother performs mojo jojo on monkeys and I've seen his monkeys once. He says they don't really care but it looks pretty creepy.
Well, I'm never going to the Netherlands now.
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« Reply #182 on: March 03, 2012, 11:53:08 am »

That is true, I understand that is how they act normally, but still. It actually really creepy sometimes, the submission and lack of... I'm not sure of the word, ambition? Freewill? Something like a cross between the two... At any rate it is a little creepy even in dogs, in something considered people it would be even more creepy.

Well, I'm never going to the Netherlands now.

Seriously.

Is this a thing? Anywhere? Is your brother some crazed scientist?
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« Reply #183 on: March 03, 2012, 11:57:26 am »

Is this a thing? Anywhere? Is your brother some crazed scientist?

You don't have to be crazy to do animal testing, which is what I'm guessing he was talking about

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« Reply #184 on: March 03, 2012, 11:58:22 am »

How is this testing? How? What? Who? When? Why?
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« Reply #185 on: March 03, 2012, 12:21:53 pm »

How is this testing? How? What? Who? When? Why?

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« Reply #186 on: March 03, 2012, 12:22:11 pm »

There is nothing which that is capable of proving if used as a test. Nothing.
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« Reply #187 on: March 03, 2012, 12:24:28 pm »

There is nothing which that is capable of proving if used as a test. Nothing.

Unless they were testing something on the monkeys?

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« Reply #188 on: March 03, 2012, 12:30:32 pm »

Testing how far they can go before being hauled off by the men in white coats?
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« Reply #189 on: March 03, 2012, 12:57:59 pm »

Probably something to do with the brain, really. Easier access. Would be my guess, but it could also be something about testing/refining skull replacement techniques and materials or something. It's probably fairly legit, or it wouldn't be getting funding.

I mean... look. We've actually swapped heads on 'lesser' primates before, to see what would happen (Iirc, it worked out fine until the monkey was put down as per SOP). There's reasons, usually medical, that seem a bit odd when you don't know what they're after :P
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« Reply #190 on: March 03, 2012, 01:13:47 pm »

Looking around, I have seen some mentions of removable plastic skull caps for animals where brain access is needed routinely.  It sounds fucked up, but as long as it's sterile and doesn't hurt the monkey, it's probably less cruel than leaving the skull intact and just sawing through it regularly.
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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #191 on: March 03, 2012, 01:45:13 pm »

To me, Dolphins = Neaderthals.

They may be capable of achieving a culture and society, but we'll have to help them along a bit.



I say we give a dolphin some sort of underwater stove and see if it cooks food.
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« Reply #192 on: March 03, 2012, 01:48:38 pm »

I say we give a dolphin some sort of underwater stove and see if it cooks food.

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« Reply #193 on: March 03, 2012, 01:49:47 pm »

I say we give a dolphin some sort of underwater stove and see if it cooks food.

No thumbs :/
Big buttons it could push with it's nose?
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Re: Dolphins as Non-Human Persons; or Viva la Cetalucean!
« Reply #194 on: March 03, 2012, 01:51:05 pm »

I say we give a dolphin some sort of underwater stove and see if it cooks food.

No thumbs :/
Big buttons it could push with it's nose?
Underwater :/
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