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[ChairmanPoo]

But yeah, I thought you were asserting that the whole herbal medicine thing was shit, and I was trying to illustrate that most of the chemicals we now synthesize in a lab were originally discovered from folk remedies which used plants and animal parts containing said chemicals

Most herbal remedies are bullshit-ish. That natural compounds sometimes are effective treatments or lead to effective treatments does not mean that every single "natural"  thing is an effective drug. Or that the original compound will be effective without processing

[Leafsnail]

Homeopathy as I know it goes a bit beyond that definition.  The basic tenets I usually see are

1. The more you dilute something, the stronger the effects are.
2. Water has memory, so even if there isn't a single molecule of the original substance left in it the above principle still applies.

So most homeopathic medicines are literally just water.  They dilute and redilute it until there's no active ingredient left at all.

EDIT: another tenet is "That which would make a healthy person sick makes an unhealthy person well", but doing that would generally be illegal so I don't think mainstream homeopaths follow that one.

[Skyrunner]

1. The more you dilute something, the stronger the effects are.

....What? What?! D:

[Descan]

Homeopathy is a stellar example of just how stupid humans can be, and the way we're usually stupid.

[lemon10]

To be fair, I don't think that 75% of the people who believe in homeopathy have any clue what it actually is.
But yeah, the those who honestly believe in it and know what it really is are very stupid people.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

1. The more you dilute something, the stronger the effects are.

....What? What?! D:

Hence why a common method of mocking homeopathy is publicly overdosing on homeopathic "medicine" onehundredfold.

[10ebbor10]

1. The more you dilute something, the stronger the effects are.

....What? What?! D:

Hence why a common method of mocking homeopathy is publicly overdosing on homeopathic "medicine" onehundredfold.

Should watch out with that though, too much water is dangerous.

[scriver]

1. The more you dilute something, the stronger the effects are.

....What? What?! D:

Hence why a common method of mocking homeopathy is publicly overdosing on homeopathic "medicine" onehundredfold.

Swedo-Norwegian astronaut Christer Fuglesang tried that on television once, during a debate, with homeopathic sleeping medicine. Too bad he drank so much that he still became woozy. Of course, had it actually been worked he should have died, but it kind of undermined his message.

Should watch out with that though, too much water is dangerous.

A girl actually died from water "poisoning" this summer. She had played "water poker" and consumed 6 litres of water. Ironically, as she probably drank water to not have to drink alcohol.

[Skyrunner]

Perhaps she should have drunk saline instead of water. :/

[RedKing]

1. The more you dilute something, the stronger the effects are.

....What? What?! D:

This is why the ocean tastes like fish pee.

[lorb]

I agree with most of the Green Party stuff...except for the trying to legislate neighborhoods into acting like hippie communes and funding fake medicine like homeopathy and CTM. I thought you were supposed to be the voice of reason, Green Party! Why did you let yourself get infected with New Age?!

From their website:

We support informed consent laws to educate consumers to potential health impact of types of treatment. For truly informed consent, a professional must explain the limitations of his or her professional training, and make the patient aware of what other professionals could offer differently or in addition.

Reading more I find that they do support homeopathy but not in a bad way imho. It seems to be more about enabling everyone to choose the treatment she/he wants, even if it's scientific bullshit.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I agree with most of the Green Party stuff...except for the trying to legislate neighborhoods into acting like hippie communes and funding fake medicine like homeopathy and CTM. I thought you were supposed to be the voice of reason, Green Party! Why did you let yourself get infected with New Age?!

From their website:

We support informed consent laws to educate consumers to potential health impact of types of treatment. For truly informed consent, a professional must explain the limitations of his or her professional training, and make the patient aware of what other professionals could offer differently or in addition.

Greens support a wide-range of health care services, not just traditional medicine which too often emphasizes "a medical arms race" that relies upon high-tech intervention, surgical techniques and costly pharmaceuticals. Chronic conditions are often best cured by alternative medicine. We support the teaching, funding and practice of holistic health approaches and as appropriate, the use of complementary and alternative therapies such as herbal medicines, homeopathy, naturopathy, traditional Chinese medicine and other healing approaches.

Reading more I find that they do support homeopathy but not in a bad way imho. It seems to be more about enabling everyone to choose the treatment she/he wants, even if it's scientific bullshit.

There is no good way to support homeopathy. Medicine is not a cabinet of options to pick from, it is a scientific field with scientific evidenced-based practices. When you go to a hospital or a doctor, it is not ethical for you to be offered bullshit alongside real medicine.

[Levi]

There is no good way to support homeopathy. Medicine is not a cabinet of options to pick from, it is a scientific field with scientific evidenced-based practices. When you go to a hospital or a doctor, it is not ethical for you to be offered bullshit alongside real medicine.

Agreed!

[Skyrunner]

There is no such freedom as the freedom to knowingly pick a therapy that will kill you, you mean? If so, yes. >:-(

[RedKing]

I'm a bit less sanguine about that view, considering I've used CTM (Chinese Traditional Medicine) to good effect in the past. Acupuncture used to be (still is in some circles) considered quackery too.