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Toothless Beaver Heads not only fixed my ADHD, I also lost weight
« on: March 11, 2012, 04:15:29 pm »
Ever since I rolled a fat person - a woman elf who is "stacked with incredible amounts of muscle and lard", and a miraculous survival fighting a werelizard that ripped off both her legs by throwing a silver arrow into its head turned her both into a "corpulent" glowing aqua-eyed lizard and one of my best adventurers ever, with an amazing 400-ish non-scummy notable kills, I've been wondering whether descriptions are static or not and whether I could lose weight. Keeping her in hunger was tried but had no effect.

Having made it this far into the game with nothing but guts, stealth and careful morning star and axe strikes, I no longer felt like lame tricks and grinding are cheating. After all, legendary swordsmen sometimes retire into the wilderness to practice for years and return like demigods. Starting on a new goal - to either become worthy of uploading here as an immortal were-lizard husk cave explorer, or to become truly legendary, or die - I had Salore Flowerpetals the Pristine Kiss of Embracing (her actual RNG-given name) walk into the middle of a haunted plains. There, I located a beaver horde.

I systematically decapitated the beavers, then as their heads came alive, punched their teeth out. I then lay on the ground for two entire days in my lizard form, letting the toothless beaver heads gnaw at me. (amazingly, they did eventually break every bony body part and "dent" my tongue and muscles before I turned back into an elf)

This had the effect of taking my strength from low to superwerelizardly, like all my physical abilities. What it also quite interestingly did was raise my focus and intuition similarly - made me superwerelizardly, and superelvenly when I shapeshifted back, intuitive, and superwerelizardly in ability to focus where my lizard form had previously been rather unable to focus at all with very low. However, the thing worth noting the most was, I got the answer. Namely, it changed my werelizard form from corpulent to muscular.

I'm currently save scumming and seeing
* whether it raises my other mental abilities, 'cause I'm really not sure but was surprised to see how high social awareness a lizard can have
* how the description evolves during the beating. Assuming I can find those badgers again.

EDIT: See later posts for screencaps & such
« Last Edit: March 12, 2012, 03:58:17 pm by Hotaru »
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Re: Toothless Beaver Heads not only fixed my ADHD, I also lost weight
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2012, 04:20:52 pm »
You sir should be rewarded for your remarkable contribution to !!science!!
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Re: Toothless Beaver Heads not only fixed my ADHD, I also lost weight
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2012, 04:23:30 pm »
Superwerelizardly is my new favorite word.

I would presume that the relentless beaver gumming raised some skill(s) that in turn raised some attributes. Do you have any legendary skills you didn't before?
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Re: Toothless Beaver Heads not only fixed my ADHD, I also lost weight
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2012, 04:32:14 pm »
Quote from: Absentia on March 11, 2012, 04:23:30 pm
Superwerelizardly is my new favorite word.

I would presume that the relentless beaver gumming raised some skill(s) that in turn raised some attributes. Do you have any legendary skills you didn't before?

Well, I don't have that save anymore as I ctrl+alt+del-ed DF to roll the save back, so I could observe the process. So far haven't found the beavers. But, my dodging did go from legendary + 2 to something like legendary + 40. Which is just a ridiculous level of skill, the badgers might not hit me for one page of log despite there being six of them and me just laying there doing nothing, combat preferences set to standing ground and not moving.
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Re: Toothless Beaver Heads not only fixed my ADHD, I also lost weight
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2012, 04:56:44 pm »
Update: found a flock of ravens, I think I can work with de-beaked raven heads. Will update with screenshots of the fitness regime after a while.

Some interesting things about werelizards in the meantime:
* They can wear backpacks and quivers, meaning you'll have no storage problems in wereform
* They can wield weapons and do great with them
* They are apparently very empathetic, as my character is not but her werelizard form has high empathy
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2012, 05:28:26 pm »
...damnit. An evil cloud arrived when I was doing my debeaked raven head weight loss thing, causing me to turn into a husk. Which would be acceptable, even something I was anticipating, except NOT WHEN I'M TRYING TO SEE HOW ATTRIBUTES CHANGE. So, I rolled back again. At least I was able to confirm becoming a husk in your wereform turns your regular form into a husk too. Or maybe it was the material contaminant, forgot to check.

However, here's some pictures of what I managed to do so far.

1. The elf
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2. The Lurid Hills of the Dimension of Souls, where this adventure takes place
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3. De-beaking the severed raven heads, to yield something that I imagine is the most cute and fluffy kind of undead around.
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If you want to do this, you shouldn't waste your time trying to make impossible shots, which they are even for a legendary warrior. Just wait for an attack of opportunity.

4. Her werelizard form after a few nibbles from a raven corpse. I have no explanation why she is "very fat" and not "corpulent" this time, but I think they're synonyms.
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5. The werelizard's starting stats.
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6. After what is only a few minutes of real time, the training process is working! Fat is melting away rapidly! Not that I didn't love you when you were very shapely, you're a wonderful woman and I did. It's just good to see you getting healthier.
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7. Attributes have risen incredibly too. Surely this is the best form of training.
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The changes in mental abilities will take closer to days of in-game time to appear.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2012, 05:33:03 pm by Hotaru »
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Re: Toothless Beaver Heads not only fixed my ADHD, I also lost weight
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2012, 10:01:12 pm »
The revolutionary new method that melts away fat while you sleep!
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Re: Toothless Beaver Heads not only fixed my ADHD, I also lost weight
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2012, 02:54:06 am »
So, I was a "very fat" werelizard again on the reroll.

In only 1 day of my patented weight loss method, the description evolved

very fat -> fat -> average in size -> muscular -> very muscular -> incredibly muscular


The stats after 1 day (12 hours) of training:
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As you can see, focus and intuition have improved already somewhat. I'll post the final result of the whole training period later, just in case anyone's interested in this incredibly broken method of training. EDIT: Won't post, because I actually turned back into an elf before I noticed and can't be bothered to do it again. Sorry. However, it predictably ended with my elf having superelven focus, willpower, intuition, spatial sense and kinesthetic sense and my werelizard having all combat physical attributes at superwerelizard.

Tentative conclusions:

1. It would appear wereform and non-wereform descriptions are linked, as I'm constantly turning into a fat lizard. I've never seen a fat werething before, not on quests nor as my adventurer. The lizard that turned me was slim, too.
2. In this version, appearance is dynamic and apparently linked to your physical attributes. Or maybe not - since my adventurer has high agility but still has massive amounts of lard in her elf form. I'm having trouble coming up with what else it could be, though. I don't think it's hunger/satiety as she was fat even while starving.
3. Dodging raises your focus and intuition (although extremely slowly, only raising them notably with extreme amounts of training), which raises the question of whether those attributes also help dodging. At this time they're not listed as such on the wiki.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2012, 03:22:23 am by Hotaru »
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Re: Toothless Beaver Heads not only fixed my ADHD, I also lost weight
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2012, 03:28:50 am »
There's one more strange thing on the topic of weight loss.

I stuck around for a bit longer in my elf form (in the latest run I have four beakless raven heads constantly trying to push or wrestle me). I lost weight and turned incredibly muscular, despite my physical attributes being the same in description (superelvenly strong - high agility -superelvenly tough). Without runesmith, can't check if they actually changed, but at least their relative amounts probably didn't. Can't really explain it at this time.
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Re: Toothless Beaver Heads not only fixed my ADHD, I also lost weight
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2012, 03:48:45 am »
Beakless raven heads... that's some interesting mental imagery...

Also, nice find. This new dwarven way of losing weight is cool.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2012, 05:06:08 pm »
Quote from: Hotaru on March 11, 2012, 04:56:44 pm
Update: found a flock of ravens, I think I can work with de-beaked raven heads. Will update with screenshots of the fitness regime after a while.

Some interesting things about werelizards in the meantime:
* They can wear backpacks and quivers, meaning you'll have no storage problems in wereform
* They can wield weapons and do great with them
* They are apparently very empathetic, as my character is not but her werelizard form has high empathy

Actually werelizards have very low empathy the phrase "high empathy" means that that creature has high empathy compared to the average werelizard.  Which must be very low if you character has low empathy in normal form.
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Re: Toothless Beaver Heads not only fixed my ADHD, I also lost weight
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2012, 07:31:59 pm »
Fat in this game is not considered a bad thing.  Its thickness actually goes up the higher your endurance (I think, but I can't quite remember which stat, exactly, and it might be toughness, instead...) goes up.  Likewise, your muscles get thicker, the stronger you get. 

Fat thickness will also go down with agility going up, however, so you've got two competing forces going back and forth on this issue.
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Re: Toothless Beaver Heads not only fixed my ADHD, I also lost weight
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2012, 03:03:38 pm »
Quote from: NW_Kohaku on March 12, 2012, 07:31:59 pm
Fat in this game is not considered a bad thing.  Its thickness actually goes up the higher your endurance (I think, but I can't quite remember which stat, exactly, and it might be toughness, instead...) goes up.  Likewise, your muscles get thicker, the stronger you get. 

Fat thickness will also go down with agility going up, however, so you've got two competing forces going back and forth on this issue.

Slight necroing, but are you sure?

I just observed an adventurer go from lardy to thin in the "under the bridge" routine, which raises toughness and endurance specifically. Doing the thousand toothless things pushing you around thing to raise agility on the other hand seemed to have no effect on this one (version changed from .05 to .07)

Furthermore I ate one plump helmet after the exact point where she had lost weight. She got her "lardy slabs" back again.
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Re: Toothless Beaver Heads not only fixed my ADHD, I also lost weight
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2012, 05:16:37 pm »
I see this thread fully expecting it to be some weird spambot thread. It was much, much cooler then that.
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2012, 05:17:29 pm »
In the raws, Musle has the [THICKENS_WITH_STRENGTH] tag while fat has [THICKENS_WITH_ENERGY_STORAGE]. Only the former is connected to an attribute; fat grows with eating and shrinks with exertion.
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