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[PTTG??]

I probably should have double-spell-checked that. "Your current level $100 reward, "early access to chapters" has is particularly flawed."

That "has" kind of moved in uninvited...

[Zangi]

Warning: High-level dreamcrushing ahead

you call that dream crushing? i call that a very constructive, very mild criticism, seasoned with abundant encouragement , served on a plate of false hope.

Gonna have to agree.  Dream crushing tends to not err on the side of encouragement, has more criticism and possibly thinly veiled attacks on the person in question too.  That last one is optional though.

[Tilla]

I definitely like inXile's idea, Kicking it Forward, wherein they'll take 5 percent of the profit from the final product (Wasteland 2, of course) and use it to fund other people's kickstarter projects.

[Zangi]

I rather hope they got a good vetting process.  At least kicking it forward to kickstarters who have something to show they can do it.

Maybe they could even have their donators recommend/nominate a few... then by process of polling elimination?  At least then, you'd have some sort of quality control... maybe.

[lordcooper]

If someone can be trusted to make a decent game with your money, they can probably be trusted to be capable of telling who else can make a decent game.

[MrWiggles]

PTTG, I thought your comment was fairly well balanced. Though I disagree with encouraging him. If you notice the dates on the publicly available chapters, he's been working on this story since at least 2007. I mean in five years, if he hasn't shown any real improvement, he's either to arrogantly blind to realize he needs improvement or he might very well be incapable.

The thing that bugs me with that kick starter, isn't the badly figured out award tiers that undermine his own goal, or the grievous and frequent grammar/spelling errors, it's his arrogance, and ignorance.

Seriously, the guy is so well assured that his novel is stupefying, that'll be the next Harry Potter, and no matter your opinion on Harry Potter, I think we can all agree that Harry Potter is going to be a novel series that is going to be sticking around for a while.

And from what's publicly available, he doesn't really have anything special at all, and overall a poor command of language.
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Also OP can you move this thread to general discussion? This thread seem to have move beyond just bad video games, but about kickstarter blacksheep in general.

[greatorder]

@MARK WILLETT, MR BARTLETT ALREADY HAS $42,000,000. THIS LAST MILLION IS JUST TO REALLY PUT THIS GAME OVER THE TOP.

*cough*
if he had that much money, why would he ask for 1.1M more?

and where did he get that information from?

but yeah, I have a feeling this will crash and burn.

[mattie2009]

@MARK WILLETT, MR BARTLETT ALREADY HAS $42,000,000. THIS LAST MILLION IS JUST TO REALLY PUT THIS GAME OVER THE TOP.

*cough*
if he had that much money, why would he ask for 1.1M more?

and where did he get that information from?

but yeah, I have a feeling this will crash and burn.

Because more money, MORE MONEY!
MUAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA- *ahem*...


Indeed.

[Wayward Device]

Oh god-i-don't-believe-in, you people made me read this whole thread. I nearly broke a rib laughing. The best bit by far was Thera. Its already been mentioned but "Thera is a computer game." followed by two minutes of silence. I almost ruptured myself. To think, less than 150 years ago you would have had to pay a shilling to gawk at the mentally ill.

Does anyone know the upper limit for a funding goal? I've got this terrible urge to create a well written, carefully costed and meticulously laid out proposal asking for $735,547,055 to Create a New City of Atlantis, now with optional Moon Laser. Donations over $10 million guarantees a button in your office that opens a trapdoor, dropping supplicants into a lava flow/rancor pit. Warning: You must provide your own supplicants. 

Anyone in? $10 will get you a promise that we won't shoot the Moon Laser in your direction unless we're bored.

[Draco18s]

Does anyone know the upper limit for a funding goal? I've got this terrible urge to create a well written, carefully costed and meticulously laid out proposal asking for $735,547,055 to Create a New City of Atlantis, now with optional Moon Laser. Donations over $10 million guarantees a button in your office that opens a trapdoor, dropping supplicants into a lava flow/rancor pit. Warning: You must provide your own supplicants. 

Anyone in? $10 will get you a promise that we won't shoot the Moon Laser in your direction unless we're bored.

Sorry, but you'd be rejected.  You can't start a project that involves real estate.

[zombie urist]

Thera reminded me AdventureQuest. At least his thing had a working demo 

[Aklyon]

I thought Adventure Quest was already a game, though.

[zombie urist]

I thought Adventure Quest was already a game, though.

I meant graphics-wise. If I saw this game anywhere else I would have thought it was part of AQ.

[Microcline]

I never paid much attention to Kickstarter.  It could probably work for very rare, specific cases (aforementioned board games, reprints of popular works already distributed through electronic media, and projects by high profile individuals/teams who have a reputation that would be forever sullied by a failure to produce a quality product).  Whether it will be used for video game funding seems highly dependent on whether Schafer pulls through and satisfies his pledges.

I'm inclined to be distrustful of projects under $10,000, as if the creator doesn't trust the idea enough to fund it, why should I?

Oh god-i-don't-believe-in, you people made me read this whole thread. I nearly broke a rib laughing. The best bit by far was Thera. Its already been mentioned but "Thera is a computer game." followed by two minutes of silence. I almost ruptured myself. To think, less than 150 years ago you would have had to pay a shilling to gawk at the mentally ill.

The funniest part of that video is that the only major difference between that kid and ZUN is that ZUN never posted a few hours worth of coding and spriting (and that's being generous) on Kickstarter expecting $5000.

Well, that and a copious amount of alcohol.

I'm still puzzled by the request for $5000.  It's both too big and too small to be realistic.  It's way to much to expect for an amateur shmup/danmaku (everyone's first coding product) and way to little to provide living expenses for a one-man team for any reasonable amount of time.

[Capntastic]

I have had fun experiences with Kickstarter

As stated in the above article, I joined Kickstarter mainly to support Greg Stolze's writing career since he's an all around good dude.   Along the way I've pledged about [redacted] on all sorts of projects.  But yeah, it's fun to gawk at some of the worst ones. 

I can't find it now, but there was one by some guy who was basically Nice Pete from Achewood wanting to raise money for a book about the history of sweepstakes, or something.   There was also something about, I dunno, cell phones being the devil.

I contacted the Thera guy and suggested that ZUN's business model for Touhou relies on its brand recognition a huge amount, and that no one is going to want to drop fifty dollars on a PyGame MSpaint thing.  He seemed sort of understanding, at least.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/230165553/game-history-book-high-score-3rd-edition  This is a pretty awful one, but not for immediately obvious reasons.  As I stated on another forum:

"Wow, they limited the "donate 30$ dollars and get a copy" to 25 copies, so now you can only get a copy from the KS if you donate 50 dollars.  Pre-orders on Amazon are about 32 dollars, with the estimated final price being 50 dollars.  It's kind of shooting yourself in the foot to not cut your more fervent fans a deal, especially when without them nothing will be made.  As much as it'd be great to rely solely on kindness, not as many are gonna rush to get in on the ground floor of a project without some sort of incentive.

I mean, the Wasteland 2 KS went off like a rocket and I feel certain to attribute that to it having a sense of "give us 15 dollars now for a copy of a 50 dollar game in two years", which many see as a sort of investment on top of the altruistic intent of the action."

The author caught wind of this and hemmed and hawed about how he's paying for the promotional copies out of pocket, at which point I basically indicated, as bluntly as possible, that if he's expected to raise the money on his own, pay for his own promotional materials, do the work, arrange the contacts, etc, what use is the publisher?  They won't even give him ebook copies to give out as rewards- he is expected to pay full price for each of them- which severely limits pledges. It's an expoitative Kickstarter, but not in the usual sense.