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[Mr. Dwarfinton]

I have literally no incentive to keep playing nor do I have the time because I find mafia boring. I don't really want to fill up a slot for another player so I hope I can get replaced.

Toaster: Replace me because I have no time to keep up with this.

[Urist Imiknorris]

I smell a tactical withdrawal.

[Hapah]

Tir: Noted. Darvi told me the same in the BM thread, so I'll keep it on-topic.

I smell a tactical withdrawal.

Perhaps.

On topic: Hapah: Why do you think Enchant Armor (In Roguelike Mafia) seems like a weak choice? A kill resistance doesn't look bad for a Common item from where I see it.

I will admit that I thought it was weaker than it was, as I thought a Warrior (33% bypass) would auto-trump it. Instead, it turns the 25% into a ~16.6% chance, yes?

I'd much rather have nearly any of the consumable Uncommons, or even most of the commons. Scroll of Protection seems far superior (though I know comparing one item to another isn't exactly valid, you have what you have). I still think that the scroll's effects are mediocre, but not as bad as I thought it was (I thought a scum Warrior rendered it useless, if the Warrior was the killer).

On an unrelated note, I think I might have pegged one of the scum, typing up the WoT now. How do I use spoilers?

We still need one more extend.

[Urist Imiknorris]

On an unrelated note, I think I might have pegged one of the scum, typing up the WoT now. How do I use spoilers?

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[Hapah]

Thanks Urist.

[Mr. Dwarfinton]

Think what you want. Going to rolecall. I am a Brother to a person. Hint: He voted for me.

[Hapah]

My WoT is crumbling before my eyes. Glad I decided to check some things before I posted it.

If I can't get it to reconcile in half an hour, I'll post it regardless.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Think what you want. Going to rolecall. I am a Brother to a person. Hint: He voted for me.

Who?

[Hapah]

Hour and a half until Day's End. We could really use another Extend vote.

Foreword: I made the assumption (dangerous word) that there was an item Rare or better that allowed immunity to tracking. It appears that I was wrong: I had assumed that NF was definitely scum, and that one of the scum had (with this tracking prevention item) attacked GG. I still think NF is acting off, but my case is much weaker than I thought at first. I've posted the WoT to give you a look inside my thought processes, if nothing else, and I believe some of my suspicions are still valid. Just keep this in mind when you read, some bits won't make sense otherwise.

Essentially, I think I noticed an oddity at the start of D2 that no-one has commented on, as far as I can tell. I imagine everyone just looked it over, I know I did at first. Before I go into analysis, I'm going to post it here. I want you to form your own opinion, and I want you to attack any glaring holes. Town wins by being an informed majority, not by blindly following.

EBWODP: There doesn't appear to be an item below rare that disguises an action, so that means one of you two performed the kill.

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Point 1: Rare Items

EBWODP: There doesn't appear to be an item below rare that disguises an action, so that means one of you two performed the kill.

Look at the bolded portion of the quote. I'm not even sure that it's true anymore (see: Wand of Invisibility). However, you get your questing item for the day before night actions. In addition, I know of no rule that says that you cannot get a Rare item on the first day's quest. Best case he's just wrong, worst case It is a misdirection. He knows that you get your quest item before night actions, but he says this anyway. Why would he do this?

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Point 2: Scum Coordination
There are two (three?) scum in the game. Between them, they should be able to catch any big slips if they get their stories straight in Scumchat. Also, between them, I am inclined to believe that they will catch every little slip that comes through from the town. Why am I the first to call NF out on this?

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Point 3: Rack 'Em Up

EBWODP: There doesn't appear to be an item below rare that disguises an action, so that means one of you two performed the kill.

NativeForeigner is a man of few words. However, he spends most of his in D2 doing this (sections bolded for emphasis):

Well, if it's not one, it's the other. Urist.
Darvi: As stated, I voted for a no-lynched because everyone was too focused on Dariush's grammar mistake to do anything useful that day.

Hmm. Taking into account the potential town result on Urist, I think I'm gonna unvote and go with my guy on Tiruin.

Tiruin: At the time (and still, really) I've been quite busy, so I was kind of hoping it would be a "lynch the one most likely to be scum, if he flips town, lynch the other" kind of thing. You're both putting out pretty good reasons why it's not you, but I don't see how it couldn't be at least one of you. Is there an item that hides actions? Also, "guy" was supposed to be "gut".
Mr. D: All you have to "add" is a parroting of Shakerag and Darvi? That comes off as a bus to me.

His first 3 posts after N1 were:
1.) Spelling out the obvious Urist and Tiruin implications
2.) Moving his vote from Urist to Tiruin
3.) "Lynch one then lynch the other, and it'll all turn out fine"
No one contests that Urist and Tiruin visited GG the night of his death. Why does he spend three posts lining out out?
It is also worth noting that he is one of only three (Mr. D and myself being the others) that have not claimed a night action. I'm a replacement and Mr. D is giving off tells like a champion. What did Native do last night?

I believe I have outlined all my suspicions. Any one of them alone is weak, but I think together they are more convincing. Scum don't make big slips, they make veeeeery small ones that you have to look very hard for.

[Hapah]

Mod: Votecount?

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Jack A T: 
Darvi: 
Tiruin: NativeForeigner, Shakerag
NativeForeigner:
Shakerag:
Urist Imiknorris: Mr. Dwarfinton
Hapah: 
Mr. Dwarfinton: Urist Imiknorris, Tiruin, Jack A T, Darvi

Not Voting:  Hapah

Day 2 will last until Monday, 4/30 at 11 PM, ~1 hour from now.

Two requests to extend.  One more needed to extend the day.


Mr. Dwarfinton has requested a replacement.

[Hapah]

NativeForeigner. I don't think D is guilty, and the Tir/Urist thing feels like a setup. I'm hoping for an extend so we can try to reason things out a bit more.

[Tiruin]

Think what you want. Going to rolecall. I am a Brother to a person. Hint: He voted for me.

Busy re-reading thread.

What in the world is a Brother? Seems like a Third-Party to me. Character Class?

[Urist Imiknorris]

Brother: Wins if <player> wins.

[Hapah]

Not a clue. Could maybe be like the Lovers role in other Mafias, where they know who/what their lover is, butt dies with the Lover. I don't think it's laid out anywhere. It would be an interesting twist if there was some roles/role modifiers that Toaster put in.

Mod: Confirm/Deny janky role stuff? Or could you even answer something like that? Not trying to wreck your setup or anything.

Urist: Huh. Where'd you see that? Are the Brothers always on the same team?