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[lemon10]

You should really get involved while you still can Irony. Otherwise by the time Doom's army beats Sheb and gets to you it will probably have at least 15 units that are level 3-4 and have a fairly easy time killing your dervishes and taking over your city (even if you have a fortress there).
Fakeedit: Although from his post it seems that Sheb might be able to survive doom this turn (and after that he can build up fast enough to keep his city alive).

Spoiler: AND THE FIRST OF THE (nerfed) SKY KNIGHTS RIDES THE SKY (click to show/hide)

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  <tileorders/>
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    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="19"/>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="8">
      <building code="aqueduct"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="11">
      <unittype code="gboat"/>
    </cityorder>
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      <targetunit unitid="34"/>
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      <targetunit unitid="9"/>
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      <targetunit unitid="4"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="76"/>
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    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="116" x="10" y="8">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
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      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
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      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
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    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="112" x="7" y="8">
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
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Vanigo: I think priests are too strong right now. As it is killing a few units in a battle snowballs by the end. Throw in a priest, and you don't even have to spend time in a city to recover at the end, you can just march to their city, and by the time they are there your army will be completely healed. With a small army it isn't that bad, since having a preiest instead of another pikeman has a significant increase in your loss chances and he can die. However, if you have a very large army, and you win, he is unlikely to die and he has enormous healing power.
Nerf ideas: Either half the basic priests (I think priests of life having 6 healing is *probably* fine, since they *are* a special unit) healing amount (from 4->2).
The other option is to double/triple it, but have each healing amount heal a single point per turn (eg. if you have healing 8, a 4/7 unit, a 5/18 unit and a 3/10 unit, it will heal to 7/7, 10/18 and 3/10), which would allow a single priest to be really big help strong with a only a few units with it, but only a single one wouldn't be able to fix an entire army in two turns. You could also do the same with the priest of life, but also give him a healing aura (like he has now) in addition to regular healing.

[Kashyyk]

Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)

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  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="8" y="12">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="2" y="6">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="4" y="15"/>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="6" y="16"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="26"/>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="3">
      <building code="shipY"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="21">
      <building code="aqueduct"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="17">
      <building code="arcR"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="118" x="7" y="16">
      <targetunit unitid="99"/>
      <newname>Naginata Cavalry</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="118" x="7" y="16">
      <targetunit unitid="99"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="104"/>
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    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="118" x="7" y="16"/>
    <armyorgorder type="rnArmy" armyid="104" x="7" y="16">
      <newname>4th Tesuni Army</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="115" x="7" y="16">
      <targetunit unitid="86"/>
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    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="52" x="6" y="14">
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
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      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
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[lemon10]

I suppose that you don't need to get involved at all irony.
The first time I ran this turn (2 turns ago) sheb's units didn't get to safety in the city, and he didn't have enough forces to fight doom off. Since they did this time, they provided enough troops to let him win consistently (3/3 times). I don't think that Doom will attack this turn, nor in the forseeable future if sheb keeps building up.

[Vanigo]

Well, Sheb's defenses are proving very resilient. Vanigo, do higher-level skills negate lower-level skills, such as in the case of chargebreak and charge? Knights have charge three, halberdiers have chargebreak 2, so I was wondering.

No. The difference between different levels of charge is that, on a charge attack, you get an attack bonus equal to the charge level, so your level 2 lancers, with 8 attack and charge 2, have an effective 10 attack on their charge. Chargebreak gives a similar bonus on the charge-countering attack.

And I'm not surprised you can't crack that nut. You'd have had a decent chance if you'd won initiative last turn, I think, but there's two T2 infantry units, a unit of pikemen, and two magicians sitting on a tile with +100% defense. With no siege on your side of the board, even his magicians have 8 defense there.

[Doomblade187]

Yeah. I ran it through a few times, but kept losing, so I've decided to just wait him out at the borders for the time being.

[Sheb]

Defenser really do have a terrible advanage in this game. I guess I'll wreck your amy in a few turns and then we're back to square one.

[lemon10]

Come on irony and sheb, could you guys please hurry up and post. 

[Sheb]

Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)

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  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="10" y="0"/>
    <tileorder type="bCity" x="11" y="0">
      <cityname>Death Gulch</cityname>
    </tileorder>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="0">
      <unittype code="sword"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="13">
      <building code="univ"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="12">
      <unittype code="pike"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="110" x="19" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="92"/>
      <newname>Harry Houdini</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="110" x="19" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="92"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="106"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="110" x="19" y="7"/>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="122" x="19" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="103"/>
      <newname>5th Pikemen</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="122" x="19" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="103"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="106"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="122" x="19" y="7"/>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="111" x="19" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="93"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="106"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="111" x="19" y="7"/>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="106" x="19" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="90"/>
      <newname>1st Soohiss Guards</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="106" x="19" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="93"/>
      <newname>1st Swordsmen</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="106" x="19" y="7">
      <targetunit unitid="89"/>
      <newname>David Blaine</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="114" x="18" y="6">
      <targetunit unitid="96"/>
      <newname>Ali Bongo</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="123" x="16" y="4">
      <targetunit unitid="104"/>
      <newname>Kuda Bux</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
  </armyorgorders>
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    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="114" x="18" y="6">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="123" x="16" y="4">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[lemon10]

Poke. Poke. Poke.
If you don't post I will keep poking you Irony.
Poke. Poke. Poke.

[IronyOwl]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Also, Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)

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  <tileorders/>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="1">
      <unittype code="MithP"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="9">
      <building code="shipY"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="25"/>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="2" x="23" y="15">
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[lemon10]

Just a tentative poke vanigo to make sure you know everyone has submitted their turns.

[Vanigo]

Sorry for the delay. My family's been in town; things have been busy.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Illyria:

30 food used to gain 1 free population
Pegaus Town grows to size 4
Aqueduct built in Riam
Galleon raised in a?µa
Mystical Glade built in Megasia Isle
Sky Knights raised in Thororaisi
Pikemen (24) moved to Illyria army 116
1st Imperial Pikemen moved to Illyria army 116
2nd Imperial Pikemen moved to Illyria army 116
Axemen (38) moved to 1st Imperial Transport Group
Axemen (34) moved to 1st Imperial Transport Group
Axemen (38) moved to Illyria army 116
Axemen (34) moved to Illyria army 116
Barge (9) disbanded
Militia moved to Illyria army 76
1st Militia is empty and is disbanded
1st Imperial SDG is empty and is disbanded
1st Imperial Transport Group is empty and is disbanded
Illyria army 116 moves to (11,3)
Illyria army 76 moves to (10,4)
Illyria army 112 moves to (6,9)


Tesunad:

37 food used to gain 1 free population
Farm built at (8,12)
Farm built at (2,6)
Tile (4,15) claimed
Road built at (6,16)
Xim grows to size 3
Shipyard built in Naite
Aqueduct built in Burran
Archery Range built in Ayikke
Knights (99) renamed to Naginata Cavalry
Naginata Cavalry moved to Tesunad army 104
Tesunad army 118 disbanded
Tesunad army 104 renamed to 4th Tesuni Army
3rd Nomad Archers moved to 4th Tesuni Army
2nd Nomad Archers moved to 4th Tesuni Army
1st Nomad Archers moved to 4th Tesuni Army
Tesunad army 115 disbanded
4th Tesuni Fleet moves to (20,15)
1st Tesuni Army moves to (5,12)
1st Tesuni Fleet has razed Arcadia's village on (23,20)!


Arcadia:

21 food used to gain 1 free population
Road built at (18,15)
Knights raised in The Peaceful Town
University built in The Tranquil City
Lancers raised in Stonehaven
Arcadia army 113 renamed to Arcadian First Navy
Arcadia army 120 renamed to Arcadian Second Navy
Army Arcadia army 124 created
Lancers (50) moved to Arcadia army 124
Axemen (54) moved to Arcadia army 124
Pikemen (76) moved to Arcadia army 124
Axemen (91) moved to Arcadia army 124
Pikemen (76) moved to Arcadian Avengers
Axemen (91) moved to Arcadian Avengers
Axemen (54) moved to Arcadian Avengers
Lancers (50) moved to Arcadian Avengers
Arcadia army 124 disbanded
Halberdiers (67) moved to Arcadian Second Navy
Army Arcadia army 125 created
Arcadia army 125 renamed to Arcadian Avengers Second Group
Axemen (58) moved to Arcadian Avengers Second Group
Healers (61) moved to Arcadian Avengers Second Group
Lancers (47) moved to Arcadian Avengers Second Group
Pikemen (69) moved to Arcadian Avengers Second Group
Axemen (91) moved to Arcadian Avengers Second Group
Arcadia army 119 moves to (20,11)
Arcadian First Navy moves to (14,21)
Arcadian Second Navy moves to (13,16)
Arcadia army 101 moves to (21,11)
Travel Group 1 moves to (19,12)
Tesunad has razed your village on (23,20)!


Tarr:

34 food used to gain 1 free population
34 food used to gain 1 free population
Centurions raised in Tarr
Shipyard built in Gall
Rill grows to size 4
Tarr army 2 moves to (21,17)


Dunottar:

29 food used to gain 1 free population
Tile (10,0) claimed
City Death Gulch built at (11,0)
Swordsmen raised in Dunottar Castle
University built in Dunottar's Revenge
Pikemen raised in Craignish Castle
Magicians (92) renamed to Harry Houdini
Harry Houdini moved to Dunottar army 106
Dunottar army 110 disbanded
Pikemen (103) renamed to 5th Pikemen
5th Pikemen moved to Dunottar army 106
Dunottar army 122 disbanded
Swordsmen (93) moved to Dunottar army 106
Dunottar army 111 disbanded
Halberdiers (90) renamed to 1st Soohiss Guards
Swordsmen (93) renamed to 1st Swordsmen
Magicians (89) renamed to David Blaine
Magicians (96) renamed to Ali Bongo
Magicians (104) renamed to Kuda Bux
Dunottar army 123 moves to (18,6)
Dunottar army 114 moves to (19,7)

Game state

To answer your comment about priests, lemon10, I assume you mean healers? Priests don't actually have any healing, although warpriests do. I guess your point is that it makes the already-swingy combat even swingier, and overvalues eliminating units? I can see the logic there. Have to think about it.

[lemon10]

Spoiler: Turno, turnee, turned (click to show/hide)

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    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="5">
      <building code="aqueduct"/>
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    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="4">
      <unittype code="pKni"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="11">
      <unittype code="gboat"/>
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    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="8"/>
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  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="127" x="7" y="5">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="116" x="11" y="3">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="76" x="10" y="4">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="126" x="10" y="8">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
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To answer your comment about priests, lemon10, I assume you mean healers? Priests don't actually have any healing, although warpriests do. I guess your point is that it makes the already-swingy combat even swingier, and overvalues eliminating units? I can see the logic there. Have to think about it.

Kind of, but its more that it negates the entire need to heal in a town or stop after a tough battle, and all you need is a single healer in a ten unit size army, it would be fine if it was a little slower or scaled with army size, but it seems a bit too powerful a effect for just a single unit.
And yeah, I did mean healers not priests. Opps.

[Kashyyk]

Spoiler: Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)

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  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="4" y="15">
      <improvement code="quarr"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="8" y="14"/>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="7" y="13"/>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="6" y="12"/>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="4" y="15"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="21"/>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="26">
      <building code="gran"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="15">
      <building code="found"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="3">
      <unittype code="gboat"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="104" x="7" y="16">
      <targetunit unitid="99"/>
      <newname>1st Naginata Cavalry</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="conq" armyid="102" x="20" y="15"/>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[lemon10]

I think I will poke those who haven't posted yet (Irony, sheb and doom. Poke), it has only been a day, but I know will have to bother everyone a few times anyways till they all post, so I might as well start now.