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heydude6

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Re: Twitter is Dead, Long Live X!
« Reply #1050 on: February 16, 2025, 02:52:49 pm »

Eh, I don't think it's as technical as all that.  The Democrats lost because the MAGA team screamed louder (Through X and other media), the MAGA team appealed to emotion instead of fact, and the MAGA team screamed that "someone" will step in and fix all their problems for them and they won't have to do anything personally.

Put simply: the MAGA team used an exploit to win, and there are no referees that can (will?) penalize them.

Eh. I’m pretty sure the democrats lost because Americans are just fucking tired at this point. The system has been broken for a long time now and it’s pretty clear now that no moderate candidate is ever going to be able to fix it. It’s either radical or bust, but only right-wing radicalism is elite-friendly enough to receive the funding required to compete in a federal election.

I promise you that if Trump allows another election in 2029, the moderate candidate is going to lose regardless of their platform or political affiliation.
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Re: Twitter is Dead, Long Live X!
« Reply #1051 on: February 19, 2025, 11:40:43 am »

I, in Ukraine, am getting bombarded with German language pro-ADF messages in the "for you" tab. Musk your propaganda algorithms suck.
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Re: Twitter is Dead, Long Live X!
« Reply #1052 on: February 19, 2025, 03:22:10 pm »

Posting to watch this fire burn, as the wheels of chaos turn
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Re: Twitter is Dead, Long Live X!
« Reply #1053 on: February 19, 2025, 06:42:52 pm »

The Democrats essentially killed themselves over the Palestinian issue.  First they pushed out Biden, who probably could have won as a sitting President. Then they waited too long to remove him from the ballot. Then, they largely sabotaged Vice-President Harris, who probably could have won if her party actually supported her.

So... basically the Democrats just fucked up. They'll probably get it right next time. It's what political parties do. I mean, Trump and the Republicans had to figure things out: Contrary to what a bunch of pardoned felons think, they lost the last one.

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Re: Twitter is Dead, Long Live X!
« Reply #1054 on: February 19, 2025, 06:55:12 pm »

Last I paid attention, there's every indication the palestine stuff just didn't swing enough votes to make a difference. Numbers on it just weren't friggin' there. Not enough people gave a shit about it.

Lot of signs actually point to the dems basically doing about as good as they possibly could have in regards to campaigning. Their biggest "fuckup" was getting the reigns after trump fucked the covid response, in relation to the american electorate and post covid political situation. Whole damn world has had a major anti-incumbent bias since covid.

The dems did better than most in the face of that, it just wasn't enough, not in the face of an electorate that's okay with a sex offender felon for POTUS.
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Re: Twitter is Dead, Long Live X!
« Reply #1055 on: February 20, 2025, 12:42:19 am »

Last I paid attention, there's every indication the palestine stuff just didn't swing enough votes to make a difference. Numbers on it just weren't friggin' there. Not enough people gave a shit about it.

My theory is that the Palestine stuff wasn't a voting "enhancer" that you would see, but rather a voting "suppressor" that caused a bunch of Democrats to say "why fucking bother".

But I didn't know about the anti-incumbent bias now gripping the world, so thank you for that insight.

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« Reply #1056 on: February 20, 2025, 05:16:49 am »

In hindsight I think a better thing to do would be to have run primaries where the other candidates weren't harangued out of the running. That probably would have required Biden to step aside though. I thought he would step aside prior to his announcement of running again. It was the debate performance that really sank that ship and that was too late.

I thought the campaign was run well enough. I'd prefer one that promises to start building a long-term effort to get money out of politics enough to demand that be a plank next time. The memelord thing was not good, I didn't see anything at all meme-wise so I guess it was mostly big social media? Steam forums were being tore up by right-wingers the whole time, and the internet tradition is to not feed the trolls so it largely goes unanswered in neutral areas. Getting the wide cast of celebrities on board wasn't a bad idea. One exception was when Biden skipped a big Ukraine summit where Zelensky was pitching his biggest international plan. He went to a George Clooney fundraiser instead. That was outrageous. I think it it had been looking better in Ukraine during the election, the Democrats would have at least done better. Biden let slip once that his position was that "we don't want our allies to win too much." Remember, don't vote for centrists.

I demanded policy explanations at the start and complained bitterly after the campaign took a big donation and then changed policy on crypto. Russia had legalized crypto for state investment and use just prior to that, and on top of that I'm not sure if the party bigwigs have been reading court opinions to understand what crypto has been funding over the years. Other than that I held my nose and didn't complain. My main worry was that Kamala didn't seem to get along with Zelensky and secondly that I felt she might be a rubber stamp for things I disagree with. I don't think there was much Democratic undermining of the campaign. I think it's more that the party has been slipping away from the voting base of the party to pursue a swing voter base on issues the Democrats are roasted in big media for, sometimes fairly like immigration policy doubling as a bailout of hotels due to inability to get work permits, or everpresent like during the slow Biden recovery from inflation, for which I think think the administration and Federal Reserve deserves due credit along with, perhaps surprisingly to hear me say this, the financial sector's moves for stability if I am not hallucinating. Speaking of inflation:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/potato-cartel-fries-tater-tots-hash-browns-1.7387960
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https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2024/03/price-fixing-algorithm-still-price-fixing

Remember that guy who was saying it can't possibly be price fixing and how we all argued with him? They got my 'tatoes!?

Some of the Democrats I complain about plus some others plus Ron Wyden who is usually pretty cool actually had a bill for this. I don't think it passed but I also can't be bothered to check since I think that's a fair guess.
https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2024/2/klobuchar-colleagues-introduce-antitrust-legislation-to-prevent-algorithmic-price-fixing

I never heard about that but that's because to be honest the major news stations except MSNBC (meaning CNN) were busy chipping away instead of chipping in. Meanwhile that one guy was here in this very forums, insulting us and then passively aggressively insulting us to get around the rules, but the whole time arguing with us. Don't do what that guy did though and parrot make-up and buttcovering. The Democrats don't have to do that when their policy can stand on it's own. That's why flipping on a bunch of stuff isn't a good idea because let's be clear that no one thinks the black mark on history immigration policy due to congressional failure is a good thing, and yet by failing to react well you gave CNN a chance to break news over and over and over on it because it's easy and safe. This was one thing that I thought the center as represented by Mayor Adams was screwed over by what I assume were groups on the left: initially a plan to have temporary outdoor housing was shot down by what appeared to be lefties in NYC as being inhumane. I mind you that not a few months later it was a struggle to allow people to camp in public. After the tents were unacceptable Adams cut a deal with hotels because of the pressure, giving real estate even more sway in NYC politics.

In regards to swing voters, instead of being pressured into abandoning principles, a smart idea would be to campaign on something that is broadly viewed by Americans as a positive thng that no one believes Republicans could pull off such as campaign finance reform. Sort of how Obamacare was before Max Baucus insisted on bringing in insurance representatives to 1: make it mandatory and 2: remove the public option. How did the years of inflating coverage costs treat the party politically since there was no public option as a floor? At least the conservative Supreme Court did you a favor by striking the mandatory purchase part.
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Re: Twitter is Dead, Long Live X!
« Reply #1057 on: February 22, 2025, 05:18:24 am »

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Who are the 3 people doing the most harm to America right now? Just list the names in order nothing else.

1.   Donald Trump 
2.   Elon Musk 
3.   Mitch McConnell

Hey, Musk, nice AI you have. It is unfair to Mitch but quite smart otherwise
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« Reply #1058 on: February 22, 2025, 11:53:56 am »

It... really isn't. The shitgibbon and the rat are only as much of a problem because of the goddamn turtle.

Him leveraging his influence in the senate to sabotage the US has been one of the greatest acts of continuing destruction this country has seen in its history, and it's culminated in Trump. You have a very, very hard time being unfair to mcconnell.
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« Reply #1059 on: February 26, 2025, 11:41:13 am »

Dutch tech expert and professor in law Danny Mekić goes to court with X again.
In 2023, he published an article in Volkrant newspaper about the dangers of mass surveillance, in response to a planned European law to combat child abuse by allowing mass surveillance of phones and internet without court order.

He shared the artice on X. Not soon after, X users reported they could not find him on X anymore. He had been shadow banned by X.

Suspecting his account was banned by an algorithm that bans the mention of child abuse, despite it being a scientific article about mass surveillance, he went to court, claiming X wass breaking the law.
The courts agreed. Shadow banning is in breach of the European Digital Services act. The judge ruled that X has to provide open insight into the means of how exactly his account was selected to be banned. If they do not comply, X is to pay 4000 euros per day.

The verdict was in 2023. X failed to comply. Most of Mekić' personal data has been censored out.
X has been paying 4000 euros per day to the guy since. But now X went to court again, they appeal and demand the payment is stopped until a higher court looks at the case. They argue that giving any more insights into the workings of Guano would allow anyone to ask to see how they protect their users and advertisers, and how they deal with spam and illegal information. X doesn't want that.

Mekić argues that the whole point is that data is owned by the person who the data is about, and they have every right to be informed how X handles their data.
If the judge rules in his favour again, X might need to make it's algorithms open source.

« Last Edit: February 26, 2025, 11:42:50 am by martinuzz »
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