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guitarxe

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Alternatives to cats
« on: June 15, 2012, 12:55:03 pm »

Are there any other animals I can embark with that are not cats? Problem with cats is that they adopt owners, after which there isn't really any way to get rid of them without upsetting the owner (it's as bad as migrants that come with pets).

Are there any other vermin-hunting animals I can embark with that do not adopt owners?
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Re: Alternatives to cats
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2012, 12:59:59 pm »

Only cats are embarkable in vanilla.

Now, I think some of the birds introduced in 34.x can hunt vermin too, but the problem besides them not being normal domestics is that you'll need nest boxes to breed them. 
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Re: Alternatives to cats
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2012, 01:55:49 pm »

Peregrine falcons also hunt vermin. They're pretty good at it, and most importantly you can control their population, unlike cats. They're my favorites. I might have modded them slightly to make them available at embark though.
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Re: Alternatives to cats
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2012, 03:18:27 pm »

Am I the only person who doesn't have ANY cats assigned to a dwarf as a pet? My cats and kittens are all listed as "uninterested"...

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Re: Alternatives to cats
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2012, 03:38:34 pm »

Trappers work well too, don't they? With those huge cheese maker waves, there is dwarf power to spare.
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Re: Alternatives to cats
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2012, 03:44:03 pm »

Woah woah woah, wait.
You can have DWARVES HUNTING VERMIN??  :o
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Re: Alternatives to cats
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2012, 03:49:25 pm »

when you look at workshops, such as the carpenter for example, they have a Create "Animal Trap" option, you create and place them with through the build menu to capture vermin.

Its just that cats/peregrine falcons/magma are more economical and less time consuming.
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2012, 03:49:52 pm »

Nvm, just read the wiki page on it... not very efficient at all, the use of animal traps.

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Can you tell me what needs to be added to the creature to make it available on embark?
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Re: Alternatives to cats
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2012, 04:03:09 pm »

Can you tell me what needs to be added to the creature to make it available on embark?

I think adding [COMMON_DOMESTIC] would do the trick.
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Re: Alternatives to cats
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2012, 06:12:37 pm »

Am I the only person who doesn't have ANY cats assigned to a dwarf as a pet? My cats and kittens are all listed as "uninterested"...

No, I'm in the same situation, for now.  Cats generally attach themselves to dwarves whose preferences include cats.  With no dwarves who like cats around (easy enough with a small population), cats may be slower or unable to adopt dwarves.

See if you stay in that situation when you're up around 100 dwarves.
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Re: Alternatives to cats
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2012, 08:49:25 pm »

Woah woah woah, wait.
You can have DWARVES HUNTING VERMIN??  :o
There are two ways to achieve this. One, animal traps. Two, starve your dwarves enough.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2012, 01:36:10 pm »

Am I the only person who doesn't have ANY cats assigned to a dwarf as a pet? My cats and kittens are all listed as "uninterested"...

I only have a few pet cats and I think most if not all of them arrived with immigrants.  I keep what cats I need pastured in my food stores and the excess are ruthlessly butchered.  Because of this, cats don't roam the fort and rub up against crazy cat dorfs.  The only time they get adopted is if those dorfs get something to eat or drink and the cat looks up into their eyes the wrong way.  It probably helps when you have cats guarding food stocks for things like farmer's workshops, mills/querns and fisheries to have dwarves who don't like cats working those industries.  Then take pet cats and put them in the drink and edible food stockpiles because no one else can adopt them.  Drink is probably the biggest concern here since the dorfs will go to a food stockpile just to get something to haul off to the dining room, but they'll stay in the booze stockpile until they've finished their bender, and that keep them in close proximity with an unattached cat the longest.

Nvm, just read the wiki page on it... not very efficient at all, the use of animal traps.

From my experience, the trappers spend more time wandering around the fort than actually trapping anything, and they don't always go after the bad vermin.   And they'll trap stuff outside too.  I've got several traps with tree frogs in my fort, as if that's helpful.  Vermin pets aren't that great either (I tried it out, wasn't impressed), but you could have a trapper/trainer that traps vermin in his spare time and then tames them to sell to caravans.
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Re: Alternatives to cats
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2012, 02:00:09 pm »

Usually some migrants will bring cats already adopted. You can kill them of course, but it makes Urist McCatlover very unhappy.
Peregrines are incredible good at hunting vermin, but not accessible everywhere, since you cannot embark with them in vanilla.
Usually I take some male cats only, that prevents catsplosions until some stupid migrants bring females. Either there are some unforeseen "accidents" or I just butcher all the female kittens. Works well.
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Re: Alternatives to cats
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2012, 02:24:38 pm »

Usually some migrants will bring cats already adopted. You can kill them of course, but it makes Urist McCatlover very unhappy.
Peregrines are incredible good at hunting vermin, but not accessible everywhere, since you cannot embark with them in vanilla.
Usually I take some male cats only, that prevents catsplosions until some stupid migrants bring females. Either there are some unforeseen "accidents" or I just butcher all the female kittens. Works well.

Wouldn't cats die of old age and leave you with a vermin problem once they become extinct at your site due to the population not renewing?
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2012, 02:06:32 pm »

Wouldn't cats die of old age and leave you with a vermin problem once they become extinct at your site due to the population not renewing?
That takes a long time and you can sometimes buy new ones from caravans. If that's too risky for your taste keep one female and butcher or cage all the female kittens.
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