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Bohandas

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I was looking through string dump and I noticed that "REQUIRED" was listed as a possible response argument for ethic tokens. I had always thought that ACCEPTABLE was the most positive value. Is this new? has anybody experimented with this?
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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2012, 09:31:25 pm »

Murdering allies:required.

Oh the fun we could have.
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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2012, 09:49:03 pm »

SLAVERY:REQUIRED

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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2012, 05:06:08 am »

NAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:REQUIRED:) A genocidical race:) They will genocide themselves until only Duncan McLoud remains:)
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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2012, 08:07:39 am »

Great, now I've got to put kilts and sporrans back on my dwarves.  There's another re-gen. :P
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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2012, 05:17:39 pm »

Ok, I generated a world with the Dwarves' ethics modded so that KILL_ENEMY is REQUIRED and it didn't crash the game or produce any errors, so it's at least supported at this point. Any ideas on testing if it's fully implemented; like if other races reactions to it REQUIRED on some of the more controversial ethics would be more extreme than if it were merely acceptable? All I can think of is to generate a crapload of worlds both ways and try to figure out whether the modded one has more wars; but I don't know enough about statistics to tell if a result is actually meaningful or if it's probably just a coincidence.
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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2012, 05:19:48 pm »

How about

[ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:REQUIRED]?

That should yield results quickly.
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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2012, 05:21:35 pm »

Guys, the ethics just get people into war in worldgen. It wont matter ingame.
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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2012, 05:23:46 pm »

Guys, the ethics just get people into war in worldgen. It wont matter ingame.

The giant corpse my dwarves won't butcher for tons of meat says otherwise.
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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2012, 05:25:07 pm »

Guys, the ethics just get people into war in worldgen. It wont matter ingame.
   [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:UNTHINKABLE]
   [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:UNTHINKABLE]
affect gameplay by allowing/disallowing butchering intelligent creatures
and
   [ETHIC:ASSAULT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
   [ETHIC:VANDALISM:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
affect justice to a degree I believe
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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2012, 05:30:15 pm »

Guys, the ethics just get people into war in worldgen. It wont matter ingame.
   [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:UNTHINKABLE]
   [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:UNTHINKABLE]
affect gameplay by allowing/disallowing butchering intelligent creatures
and
   [ETHIC:ASSAULT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
   [ETHIC:VANDALISM:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
affect justice to a degree I believe

[ETHIC:ASSAULT:EXILE]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:EXILE]

 :-\

And cannibalism is hardcoded impossible, is it not? Cause my gobbo adventurers wont touch that human corpse.
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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2012, 06:01:00 pm »

Guys, the ethics just get people into war in worldgen. It wont matter ingame.
   [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:UNTHINKABLE]
   [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:UNTHINKABLE]
affect gameplay by allowing/disallowing butchering intelligent creatures
and
   [ETHIC:ASSAULT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
   [ETHIC:VANDALISM:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
affect justice to a degree I believe

[ETHIC:ASSAULT:EXILE]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:EXILE]

 :-\

And cannibalism is hardcoded impossible, is it not? Cause my gobbo adventurers wont touch that human corpse.

Is still possible to eat sentients if your starving? Anyway, cannibalism is unthinkable in adventure mode regardless of ethics. 
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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2012, 09:16:41 pm »

Ethics for eating sentients are supported in Fortress Mode. Adventurers are too snotty to eat sentient flesh, unless they're hungry or butchered the sentient when they were.
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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2012, 09:57:17 pm »

Or if they bought and/or stole it already butchered
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Re: Has anybody experimented with the REQUIRED ethic response token?
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2012, 09:09:16 pm »

Guys, the ethics just get people into war in worldgen. It wont matter ingame.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=post;quote=3389675;topic=111760.0
The giant corpse my dwarves won't butcher for tons of meat says otherwise.

Indeed. Magmawiki has a list of known in-game effects of specific ethics values. There aren't many, but there there.
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