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[Loud Whispers]

I am pretty sure not every combination is possible. I never had rock or gemstone or glass weapons or bone or bone anvils.

Well, we're waiting on the anvil in the hopes of solving a very important question.

That's easy for me - clearly, the first anvil was bought on embark or acquired from human caravan.

1. No.
2. If that was even a possibility, where did that one come from? Square one.

What do you mean, 'where'? From embark of course.

Don't argue with circular logic

But then, say, where did wood come from? you need wood or metal for axes. for metal you need charcoal. for charcoal you need wood. So for wood you need wood...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What did I tell you about circular logic?
Bring it from embark

Trees can be explained.
Embark, no. Anything gained from embark has to be available from the mountainhomes, otherwise it won't be available.

...Except for steel anvils.

YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING HERE.

QUICK, SOMEONE MAKE MORE CIRCLES

[Lagslayer]

I was going to post the "anti sea bear circle" video, but it seems to have been pulled from youtube. However, I found a much more disturbing video which I will now post in the WTF thread.

[Quietust]

I am pretty sure not every combination is possible. I never had rock or gemstone or glass weapons or bone or bone anvils.

You are correct - there are very specific rules which govern the possible types of artifacts produced by strange moods, currently described on the Strange Mood talk page. Granted, this was originally for version 0.34.05 (and is what led to a few bugfixes in 0.34.06) - it's possible it's changed, though it's actually rather unlikely.

[misko27]

I am pretty sure not every combination is possible. I never had rock or gemstone or glass weapons or bone or bone anvils.

Well, we're waiting on the anvil in the hopes of solving a very important question.

That's easy for me - clearly, the first anvil was bought on embark or acquired from human caravan.

1. No.
2. If that was even a possibility, where did that one come from? Square one.

What do you mean, 'where'? From embark of course.

Don't argue with circular logic

But then, say, where did wood come from? you need wood or metal for axes. for metal you need charcoal. for charcoal you need wood. So for wood you need wood...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What did I tell you about circular logic?
Bring it from embark

Trees can be explained.
Embark, no. Anything gained from embark has to be available from the mountainhomes, otherwise it won't be available.

...Except for steel anvils.

YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING HERE.

QUICK, SOMEONE MAKE MORE CIRCLES

Where did the First pick come from? couldn't dig to the magma sea and make metal axes without picks.

[Lagslayer]

I am pretty sure not every combination is possible. I never had rock or gemstone or glass weapons or bone or bone anvils.

Well, we're waiting on the anvil in the hopes of solving a very important question.

That's easy for me - clearly, the first anvil was bought on embark or acquired from human caravan.

1. No.
2. If that was even a possibility, where did that one come from? Square one.

What do you mean, 'where'? From embark of course.

Don't argue with circular logic

But then, say, where did wood come from? you need wood or metal for axes. for metal you need charcoal. for charcoal you need wood. So for wood you need wood...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What did I tell you about circular logic?
Bring it from embark

Trees can be explained.
Embark, no. Anything gained from embark has to be available from the mountainhomes, otherwise it won't be available.

...Except for steel anvils.

YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING HERE.

QUICK, SOMEONE MAKE MORE CIRCLES

Where did the First pick come from? couldn't dig to the magma sea and make metal axes without picks.

VIVA LA QUOTE PYRAMID!

A pick could have come from a bonecrafting strange mood.

[SuicideJunkie]

I am pretty sure not every combination is possible. I never had rock or gemstone or glass weapons or bone or bone anvils.

Well, we're waiting on the anvil in the hopes of solving a very important question.

That's easy for me - clearly, the first anvil was bought on embark or acquired from human caravan.

1. No.
2. If that was even a possibility, where did that one come from? Square one.

What do you mean, 'where'? From embark of course.

Don't argue with circular logic

But then, say, where did wood come from? you need wood or metal for axes. for metal you need charcoal. for charcoal you need wood. So for wood you need wood...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What did I tell you about circular logic?
Bring it from embark

Trees can be explained.
Embark, no. Anything gained from embark has to be available from the mountainhomes, otherwise it won't be available.

...Except for steel anvils.

YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING HERE.

QUICK, SOMEONE MAKE MORE CIRCLES

Where did the First pick come from? couldn't dig to the magma sea and make metal axes without picks.

VIVA LA QUOTE PYRAMID!

A pick could have come from a bonecrafting strange mood.

So:
1) Naked prehistoric dwarf embarks on a volcano and gets a *wolf bone pick* from a mood
2)
3) Magma forges make anvils for everyone!

[Corai]

I am pretty sure not every combination is possible. I never had rock or gemstone or glass weapons or bone or bone anvils.

Well, we're waiting on the anvil in the hopes of solving a very important question.

That's easy for me - clearly, the first anvil was bought on embark or acquired from human caravan.

1. No.
2. If that was even a possibility, where did that one come from? Square one.

What do you mean, 'where'? From embark of course.

Don't argue with circular logic

But then, say, where did wood come from? you need wood or metal for axes. for metal you need charcoal. for charcoal you need wood. So for wood you need wood...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What did I tell you about circular logic?
Bring it from embark

Trees can be explained.
Embark, no. Anything gained from embark has to be available from the mountainhomes, otherwise it won't be available.

...Except for steel anvils.

YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING HERE.

QUICK, SOMEONE MAKE MORE CIRCLES

Where did the First pick come from? couldn't dig to the magma sea and make metal axes without picks.

VIVA LA QUOTE PYRAMID!

A pick could have come from a bonecrafting strange mood.

So:
1) Naked prehistoric dwarf embarks on a volcano and gets a *wolf bone pick* from a mood
2)
3) Magma forges make anvils for everyone!

1. Ancient kobols steals ancient bone pick.

2.

3.Ancient kobolds make the first caverns with bone pick.



PROBLEM?

[SharkForce]

edit: bah, need to keep reading before i post

on a side note, aren't caverns (very rarely) open to the surface, or have a pathway there?

[Darkening Kaos]

Does the hammer squeak when one of your dorfs hit someone with it?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[misko27]

I am pretty sure not every combination is possible. I never had rock or gemstone or glass weapons or bone or bone anvils.

Well, we're waiting on the anvil in the hopes of solving a very important question.

That's easy for me - clearly, the first anvil was bought on embark or acquired from human caravan.

1. No.
2. If that was even a possibility, where did that one come from? Square one.

What do you mean, 'where'? From embark of course.

Don't argue with circular logic

But then, say, where did wood come from? you need wood or metal for axes. for metal you need charcoal. for charcoal you need wood. So for wood you need wood...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What did I tell you about circular logic?
Bring it from embark

Trees can be explained.
Embark, no. Anything gained from embark has to be available from the mountainhomes, otherwise it won't be available.

...Except for steel anvils.

YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING HERE.

QUICK, SOMEONE MAKE MORE CIRCLES

Where did the First pick come from? couldn't dig to the magma sea and make metal axes without picks.

VIVA LA QUOTE PYRAMID!

A pick could have come from a bonecrafting strange mood.

So:
1) Naked prehistoric dwarf embarks on a volcano and gets a *wolf bone pick* from a mood
2)
3) Magma forges make anvils for everyone!

1. Ancient kobols steals ancient bone pick.

2.

3.Ancient kobolds make the first caverns with bone pick.



PROBLEM?

Yes. It stiil leaves the question of the first anvil.

[Garath]

if my memory serves me well, someone, once, on part of the forums, asked how usable a bone anvil would be that he got through a strange mood. Can't find it in the search function anymore though

[RabidAnubis]

They could have used stone as the first anvil?

[miauw62]

I am pretty sure not every combination is possible. I never had rock or gemstone or glass weapons or bone or bone anvils.

Well, we're waiting on the anvil in the hopes of solving a very important question.

That's easy for me - clearly, the first anvil was bought on embark or acquired from human caravan.

1. No.
2. If that was even a possibility, where did that one come from? Square one.

What do you mean, 'where'? From embark of course.

Don't argue with circular logic

But then, say, where did wood come from? you need wood or metal for axes. for metal you need charcoal. for charcoal you need wood. So for wood you need wood...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What did I tell you about circular logic?
Bring it from embark

Trees can be explained.
Embark, no. Anything gained from embark has to be available from the mountainhomes, otherwise it won't be available.

...Except for steel anvils.

YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING HERE.

QUICK, SOMEONE MAKE MORE CIRCLES

Where did the First pick come from? couldn't dig to the magma sea and make metal axes without picks.

VIVA LA QUOTE PYRAMID!

A pick could have come from a bonecrafting strange mood.

So:
1) Naked prehistoric dwarf embarks on a volcano and gets a *wolf bone pick* from a mood
2)
3) Magma forges make anvils for everyone!

1. Ancient kobols steals ancient bone pick.

2.

3.Ancient kobolds make the first caverns with bone pick.



PROBLEM?

Yes. It stiil leaves the question of the first anvil.

Yes. Kobolds could never do such a sophesticated thing. As they are small, weak and unintelligent.
The first pick/anvil was made by dwarves that dipped ore lying around in a nearby volcano and then fucked around with it, as dwarves do, over the course of many years.

[blue sam3]

I am pretty sure not every combination is possible. I never had rock or gemstone or glass weapons or bone or bone anvils.

Well, we're waiting on the anvil in the hopes of solving a very important question.

That's easy for me - clearly, the first anvil was bought on embark or acquired from human caravan.

1. No.
2. If that was even a possibility, where did that one come from? Square one.

What do you mean, 'where'? From embark of course.

Don't argue with circular logic

But then, say, where did wood come from? you need wood or metal for axes. for metal you need charcoal. for charcoal you need wood. So for wood you need wood...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What did I tell you about circular logic?
Bring it from embark

Trees can be explained.
Embark, no. Anything gained from embark has to be available from the mountainhomes, otherwise it won't be available.

...Except for steel anvils.

YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING HERE.

QUICK, SOMEONE MAKE MORE CIRCLES

Where did the First pick come from? couldn't dig to the magma sea and make metal axes without picks.

VIVA LA QUOTE PYRAMID!

A pick could have come from a bonecrafting strange mood.

So:
1) Naked prehistoric dwarf embarks on a volcano and gets a *wolf bone pick* from a mood
2)
3) Magma forges make anvils for everyone!

1. Ancient kobols steals ancient bone pick.

2.

3.Ancient kobolds make the first caverns with bone pick.



PROBLEM?

Yes. It stiil leaves the question of the first anvil.

Yes. Kobolds could never do such a sophesticated thing. As they are small, weak and unintelligent.
The first pick/anvil was made by dwarves that dipped ore lying around in a nearby volcano and then fucked around with it, as dwarves do, over the course of many years.

No it wasn't. It was created by their survivors.

[Helgoland]

I am pretty sure not every combination is possible. I never had rock or gemstone or glass weapons or bone or bone anvils.

Well, we're waiting on the anvil in the hopes of solving a very important question.

That's easy for me - clearly, the first anvil was bought on embark or acquired from human caravan.

1. No.
2. If that was even a possibility, where did that one come from? Square one.

What do you mean, 'where'? From embark of course.

Don't argue with circular logic

But then, say, where did wood come from? you need wood or metal for axes. for metal you need charcoal. for charcoal you need wood. So for wood you need wood...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What did I tell you about circular logic?
Bring it from embark

Trees can be explained.
Embark, no. Anything gained from embark has to be available from the mountainhomes, otherwise it won't be available.

...Except for steel anvils.

YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING HERE.

QUICK, SOMEONE MAKE MORE CIRCLES

Where did the First pick come from? couldn't dig to the magma sea and make metal axes without picks.

VIVA LA QUOTE PYRAMID!

A pick could have come from a bonecrafting strange mood.

So:
1) Naked prehistoric dwarf embarks on a volcano and gets a *wolf bone pick* from a mood
2)
3) Magma forges make anvils for everyone!

1. Ancient kobols steals ancient bone pick.

2.

3.Ancient kobolds make the first caverns with bone pick.



PROBLEM?

Yes. It stiil leaves the question of the first anvil.

Yes. Kobolds could never do such a sophesticated thing. As they are small, weak and unintelligent.
The first pick/anvil was made by dwarves that dipped ore lying around in a nearby volcano and then fucked around with it, as dwarves do, over the course of many years.

No it wasn't. It was created by their survivors.

Not gotten on embark, but on reclaim!