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Please vote wich game is better (if you played all of them, or know them somewhat well enough) and comment on why did you chose that, thank you.

Morrowind (with Tribunal and Bloodmoon)
- 124 (58.8%)
Oblivion (with Shivering Isles)
- 16 (7.6%)
Skyrim
- 51 (24.2%)
Daggerfall
- 16 (7.6%)
Arena
- 4 (1.9%)

Total Members Voted: 209


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Re: Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim
« Reply #165 on: July 14, 2012, 08:58:07 am »

Guys, stop it. You're making me want to play Morrowind again.  ;D
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Re: Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim
« Reply #166 on: July 14, 2012, 08:59:14 am »

I wanna play again, but I only got it on Xbox, so no mods. :(

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Re: Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim
« Reply #167 on: July 14, 2012, 09:05:09 am »

Quote from: The Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 14
So Vivec, who had a grain of Ayem's mercy, set about to teach Molag Bal in the ways of belly-magic. They took their spears out and compared them. Vivec bit new words onto the King of Rape's so that it might give more than ruin to the uninitiated. This has since become a forbidden ritual, though people still practice it in secret.

Here is why: The Velothi and demons and monsters that were watching all took out their own spears. There was much biting and the earth became wet. And this was the last laugh of Molag Bal:

'Watch as the earth shall crack, heavy with so much power, that should have been forever unalike!'

Then a bunch of demons started rampaging and Vivec killed them with his dick. It's basically self-insert fanfiction.

"And then I totally banged everyone and killed the demons and saved the day and got blowjobs from everyone!"
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Re: Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim
« Reply #168 on: July 14, 2012, 09:07:06 am »

Quote from: The Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 14
So Vivec, who had a grain of Ayem's mercy, set about to teach Molag Bal in the ways of belly-magic. They took their spears out and compared them. Vivec bit new words onto the King of Rape's so that it might give more than ruin to the uninitiated. This has since become a forbidden ritual, though people still practice it in secret.

Here is why: The Velothi and demons and monsters that were watching all took out their own spears. There was much biting and the earth became wet. And this was the last laugh of Molag Bal:

'Watch as the earth shall crack, heavy with so much power, that should have been forever unalike!'

Then a bunch of demons started rampaging and Vivec killed them with his dick. It's basically self-insert fanfiction.

"And then I totally banged everyone and killed the demons and saved the day and got blowjobs from everyone!"
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Re: Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim
« Reply #169 on: July 14, 2012, 09:08:34 am »

And don't forget that Molag Bal had Vivec's head for an hour before that for obvious purposes. Yup, perverse fiction everywhere in this game.

Poor Gamelord, we shattered his innocence :P I feel so proud c:

Oh, and the 'censored' passage in 2nd part of 'True Barenziah' is uncensored in Daggerfall, and that part is about

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Re: Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim
« Reply #170 on: July 14, 2012, 09:14:57 am »

And don't forget that Molag Bal had Vivec's head for an hour before that for obvious purposes. Yup, perverse fiction everywhere in this game.

Poor Gamelord, we shattered his innocence :P I feel so proud c:

Oh, and the 'censored' passage in 2nd part of 'True Barenziah' is uncensored in Daggerfall, and that part is about

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Don't worry about me. I just never though about that passage like that. And I didn't think the bit in True Barenziah is actually
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Re: Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim
« Reply #171 on: July 14, 2012, 09:20:10 am »

Well, she did that to get into Thieves' guild. Haven't read the book for a while myself, so can't be sure.
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« Reply #172 on: July 14, 2012, 09:23:05 am »

And if you paid attention to the lore books scattered about, you'll know that

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...Wait wait, what? Which books exactly? O.o

36 Lessons, Sermon 19. “Vivec put on his armor and stepped into a non-spatial space filling to capacity with mortal interaction and information, a canvas-less cartography of every single mind it has ever known, an event that had developed some semblance of a divine spark.” A place that contains all the information about the mortal world and its inhabitants? It's non-spatial, not an actual place - like a just a bunch of tables and database entries. And it's almost divine. If you think about it, the developer of the game who uses the Construction Set to make the game world is literally its god, creating it out of nothing. This "space that is not a space", also referred to as the "Provisional House", appears again in Sermon 22. Vivec apparently uses it to erase people from existence, as he puts it. Much like a modder would with the CS.
I absolutely love this meta-aspect of the lore. More on it here: http://fallingawkwardly.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/the-metaphysics-of-morrowind-part-1/

I wanna play again, but I only got it on Xbox, so no mods. :(

Oh please, it's like fifteen bucks on Steam. No excuses.
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Re: Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim
« Reply #173 on: July 14, 2012, 09:35:57 am »

The full 36 lessons are here, in case you don't want to hunt them down in-game.
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« Reply #174 on: July 14, 2012, 10:15:59 am »

And if you paid attention to the lore books scattered about, you'll know that

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...Wait wait, what? Which books exactly? O.o

36 Lessons, Sermon 19. “Vivec put on his armor and stepped into a non-spatial space filling to capacity with mortal interaction and information, a canvas-less cartography of every single mind it has ever known, an event that had developed some semblance of a divine spark.” A place that contains all the information about the mortal world and its inhabitants? It's non-spatial, not an actual place - like a just a bunch of tables and database entries. And it's almost divine. If you think about it, the developer of the game who uses the Construction Set to make the game world is literally its god, creating it out of nothing. This "space that is not a space", also referred to as the "Provisional House", appears again in Sermon 22. Vivec apparently uses it to erase people from existence, as he puts it. Much like a modder would with the CS.
I absolutely love this meta-aspect of the lore. More on it here: http://fallingawkwardly.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/the-metaphysics-of-morrowind-part-1/

I wanna play again, but I only got it on Xbox, so no mods. :(

Oh please, it's like fifteen bucks on Steam. No excuses.

Mind blown. I occasionally read books in Morrowind, but I usually ignored the Lessons of Vivec.
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Re: Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim
« Reply #175 on: July 14, 2012, 10:33:28 am »

I always considered 36 Lessons as 'high fantasy'.

As in, 'I wrote this while high' fantasy :P

But when you actually read into the words of the Lessons, it comes out as a brutal biography of Vivec, containing murder, rape, orgies, more murder, conquests, some wicked magickery and even more murder.
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« Reply #176 on: July 14, 2012, 12:14:31 pm »

There's also that the entire Elder Scroll series exists as the dream of a sleeping godhead (your computer) and that anyone who gains enough knowledge to realize that within the game will either undergo "Zero-Sum" or "CHIM". To undergo Zero-Sum is to realize the truth and cease to exist as you become one with the sleeping godhead. This happens to the majority of cases. "CHIM" (always capitalized) is what happened to Vivec, realizing the truth about the universe and still being able to maintain your own ego within it, allowing access to the ability to edit reality (Construction Set and Console Commands) as you tap into the power of the godhead.

Bethesda also justifies all the retcons, mechanics changes, and graphical upgrades they do by way of "Dragonbreaks", which are the main character of each game fucking time's shit up so much through all their actions that the whole thing falls apart and Akatosh has to sew it back together, which he can't do perfectly.

The more esoteric Elder Scrolls lore is very confusing.
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« Reply #177 on: July 14, 2012, 12:57:49 pm »

I always considered 36 Lessons as 'high fantasy'.

As in, 'I wrote this while high' fantasy :P

Pretty much. :D
"It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels." – Michael Kirkbride on writing the 36 Lessons of Vivec

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But when you actually read into the words of the Lessons, it comes out as a brutal biography of Vivec, containing murder, rape, orgies, more murder, conquests, some wicked magickery and even more murder.

Oh yeah. Like I said, I love the moral ambiguity. He may be a god, but he's certainly no saint.
Also references to previous TES games. "They walked farther and saw the spiked waters at the edge of the map." - Sermon 17
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« Reply #178 on: July 14, 2012, 02:01:46 pm »

I like how internet is 'omg Skyrim ftw' but on bay12, it gets only 27 votes out of 136 :P
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« Reply #179 on: July 14, 2012, 02:11:04 pm »

I've actually noticed different; PC users as a whole tend to dislike Skyrim.
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