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Labor camp

4 (20%)

List of choices (would you like to be killed by woodchipper, firing squad, gascambers...)

8 (40%)

Choose how to die (with restrictions, or course, no "I want to be nuked in the dining hall")

6 (30%)

Generic Lethal injection

1 (5%)

Electroshock

0 (0%)

Life in prison

0 (0%)

Other (Specify)

1 (5%)

No opinion

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 20

[Corai]

Horrific torture: legal way of executing traitors?

[Slayerhero90]

Cannabalism: Acceptable or no?

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Therefore, I have decides to appoint the following to a research committee to find solutions to our current problems as previously stated by President DZA: Zanzatkukun, Tophat, and Helgoland.

Was that supposed to be a comma?  If not, how are we problems if these are all of the messages sent?

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To: Zanzethuken the great.
Subject: police dept.
Message:
Why can't the police be a sub-division of the army? Then it can remain under your guidance and you can still help (and be a member of) M.A.D.P.L.A.N.S? Just think of an appropriate acronym, and be listed as a sub-department.

To: TopHat
Subject: police dept.
Message:
While your idea within your prior message would possibly work, I would prefer a man of a fair amount of sanity and morality in charge.  While I would still be in command of the department, I would still be subservient to yourself, a man of questionable sanity and morals.  Therefore, I would rather it be created as a separate organization so that it would be a more-sane mind that oversees the punishment of those who attempt to create chaos, and be more immune to corruption.

To: Zanzethuken the great
Subject: RE:police dept.
Message: Fair enough. You never know with Bay12.
Expect full support from M.A.D.P.L.A.N.S. for officers in the field / any other matters I can help with.
Remember that my offer is still open indefinitely in case you change your mind.

To:TopHat
Subject: Re:police dept.
Message:
I am glad you understand my viewpoint.  I am glad that there will be support from an already existing agency, and will gladly accept any assistance.  Do not worry, I shall keep that offer noted, just in case it is needed within the future.

Also, do not forget that the name is spelled "Zanzetkuken" not "Zanhetkuken."  We don't want any messages between our departments to get lost!

To: Helgoland
Subject: Governmental forces
Message:
I will quote the reasons why I think this is a poor idea from a message I sent to TopHat, due to it applying to you as well.

While your idea within your prior message would possibly work, I would prefer a man of a fair amount of sanity and morality in charge.  While I would still be in command of the department, I would still be subservient to yourself, a man of questionable sanity and morals.  Therefore, I would rather it be created as a separate organization so that it would be a more-sane mind that oversees the punishment of those who attempt to create chaos, and be more immune to corruption.

As you can see, I believe that there should be separate organizations to keep tabs upon each other to for the organizations to keep tabs and check upon others to prevent those from abusing power, something that I am against.  This also has a basis in fact that if a government abuses power, the citizens will revolt, leading to something similar to the French Revolution or the more recent Arab Spring.  Within a colony of the bay forum, the number of insane people would make abuse a poor idea indeed.

Horrific torture: legal way of executing traitors?

I would say no to this, due to how barbaric that is.

Cannabalism: Acceptable or no?

I would say no to this, for the same reasons that I gave in response to Corai.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Holy carp, I leave for a week and way too many more pages get added. I'll try to catch up.

Why have I not been added to the OP as the F.O.R.G.O.T.E.N.B.E.A.S.T. yet?

Horrific torture: legal way of executing traitors?

[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_X:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
I'd say not. Couldn't we upload their minds to some harmless computer and dissect the data within at our leisure?

Cannabalism: Acceptable or no?

In emergencies, but usually the metal in the bodies should be reclaimed, and the organic stuff should be used as fertilizer. Less disapproval from the Terrans pre-invasion, and I hear human meat tastes like stringy pork at best anyways.

[misko27]

Anouncement is being edited for the fact that corai is now a individual being gang-pressed into research due to being a useless diplomat, Slowpokez has been univited due to poor attendance record, and slayer has been invited due to General behaviour.

"Misko27 has mandated the creation of a research committee"

Description: "My fellow citizens, it has come to my attention that there is far too much jockeying for position and back-room dealing among our bueracrats, and not enough progress planning the actual program. This threatens both to undermine the authority of the state and to push ever-further back the date of the establishment of the colony. This is unacceptable. While public censure might be a far more effective measure of ending the practice, It would not help planning and would only further decrease our scarce manpower. Therefore, I have decides to appoint the following to a research committee to find solutions to our current problems as previously stated by President DZA: Zanzatkukun, corai, Tophat, and Helgoland. Participation is required unless sufficient reason  is given. The following are invited but not attendace by them is not required: greatwyrmgold, 10ebbor10, ,darkrider2, and slayerhero90 . I hope to see much progress from this group. In conclusion: All hail DZA"

[Corai]

Anouncement is being edited for the fact that corai is now a individual being gang-pressed into research due to being a useless diplomat, Slowpokez has been univited due to poor attendance record, and slayer has been invited due to General behaviour.

Research?

YES.

[misko27]

Edit;
I locked up the poll for now (no one liked my idea   ). Any ideas on what the next poll should be? Also, in case you havint noticed, I'm back from vacation, woooo.... So I'm going to be more involved then I have been for the last week. Sorry bout that span of inactivity!

I suggest uniforms. Options: Jumpsuits, Military garb, regular clothes, NINJA SUITS FOR ALL!!!, Clothing by profession, and arse naked.

[King DZA]

Horrific torture: legal way of executing traitors?

I think we should allow those being executed to decide for themselves how they'd like to meet their end, with how well they're treated before the execution date arrives being decided by how much thought and creativity they put into it. Also, make it a law that whenever someone is executed, for whatever reason, we rent a churro stand.

Cannabalism: Acceptable or no?

We definitely shouldn't let the bodies of our dead go to waste if we can avoid it,  but I'm not sure if cannibalism would be the most effective use of our corpses.

Therefore, I have decides to appoint the following to a research committee to find solutions to our current problems as previously stated by President DZA: Zanzatkukun, Tophat, and Helgoland.

Was that supposed to be a comma?  If not, how are we problems if these are all of the messages sent?

You aren't the problems. He was saying you're part of the newly-founded research team.

[Corai]

Edit;
I locked up the poll for now (no one liked my idea   ). Any ideas on what the next poll should be? Also, in case you havint noticed, I'm back from vacation, woooo.... So I'm going to be more involved then I have been for the last week. Sorry bout that span of inactivity!

I suggest uniforms. Options: Jumpsuits, Military garb, regular clothes, NINJA SUITS FOR ALL!!!, Clothing by profession, and arse naked.

Suits better be classified under this.

Horrific torture: legal way of executing traitors?

I think we should allow those being executed to decide for themselves how they'd like to meet their end, with how well they're treated before the execution date arrives being decided by how much thought and creativity they put into it. Also, make it a law that whenever someone is executed, for whatever reason, we rent a churro stand.

I am highly against this sir. If they get to decide, what stops them from "I want to be executed by being sent on a pyscho rampage through the base."

"I wanna be executed by all our nukes being dropped on me."

"I wanna be executed by Mars exploding."

[King DZA]

Easy, we make a rule that their execution can not involve the death of anyone but themselves.

[TopHat]

Horrific torture: unacceptable. History will remember us badly.
Unless we write it....
Cannabalism: unacceptable, except in emergencies. Very bad for PR. We could find a way of speeding up the oil production process though....
Voila! Instant cremation, some oil to sell.
Corai: regular clothes=whatever you want. I think.
Zanzetkuken:  sorry, auto spell check/correction.
GWG: apparently it tastes quite nice. Someone once took a sample of meat from his leg, and asked scientists to make something that tasted the same (eating human flesh is illegal) they did.
All: any more problems? Bearing in mind that I'm probably in a different time one (GMT)
I have one: what currency do we use? I vote pound sterling initially, and maybe a different one when we declare independence.
Also, my previous questions about training. The other guys (mars 1) are doing 10years of training. All the DF in the world (even when outfitted with training mod) won't teach us how to fly a spaceship.

[10ebbor10]

Horrific tortue: Unacceptable. Reading secrets/ implanting things directly into people's mind is acceptable though
Cannibalism: Just throw the bodies into the recycler. (Making oil from them is wastefull, and you ain't going to get much.(Besides, oil is plants))

We don't need to learn to fly a spaceship, we got an autopilot for that. I got the spaceship mostly worked out anyway, it's somewhere in the other thread.

Things we need to worry about:
-----Base location. Preferable near the equator for rocket related reasons
-----Base layout

[Helgoland]

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To: Helgoland
Subject: Governmental forces
Message:
I will quote the reasons why I think this is a poor idea from a message I sent to TopHat, due to it applying to you as well.

While your idea within your prior message would possibly work, I would prefer a man of a fair amount of sanity and morality in charge.  While I would still be in command of the department, I would still be subservient to yourself, a man of questionable sanity and morals.  Therefore, I would rather it be created as a separate organization so that it would be a more-sane mind that oversees the punishment of those who attempt to create chaos, and be more immune to corruption.

As you can see, I believe that there should be separate organizations to keep tabs upon each other to for the organizations to keep tabs and check upon others to prevent those from abusing power, something that I am against.  This also has a basis in fact that if a government abuses power, the citizens will revolt, leading to something similar to the French Revolution or the more recent Arab Spring.  Within a colony of the bay forum, the number of insane people would make abuse a poor idea indeed.

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To: Zanzetkuken The Great
Subject: Governmental forces

I believe that there should be separate organizations to keep tabs upon each other to for the organizations to keep tabs and check upon others to prevent those from abusing power, something that I am against.

The reasoning behind this statement is sound, and so I propose that we institute a complete set of checks and balances: Seperation of the legislative, the executive and the judicial branches, a written constitution and civilian control over military, police and intelligence agencies. Inside these agencies the principle of collegiality should be strictly adhered to.
For further inspiration for a written constitution I recommend the Roman Republic and the works of Kant and Hobbes. A committee needs to be put together to work out the details and finally present a draft to be approved through a general vote.
EDIT: Inspiration on the workings of the intelligence agencies and the secret police may be drawn from the soviet and fascist regimes of the past.
We need an official greeting/salute. Like "Heil Hitler", but less Nazi-y "Rotfront!" (that was a paramilitary communist group during the Weimar Republic; they had a cool salute). I propose:

All hail King and President DZA, ruler of all things rulable!

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(Damn I edited this thing )

[brainfreez]

very convenient , instead of saying "Hi!" we could say "All hail king DZA , powerless figure called president and the prime minister Misko who is actually ruler here !".

[misko27]

I demand a salute to go with it.