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Author Topic: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]  (Read 469220 times)

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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7605 on: November 06, 2021, 07:49:56 am »

Grammar Fight!

I'm going to raise you all a present progressive:  "Tommy is smashing pumpkins."  The verb in this sentence isn't "is", it is "is smashing"; "is" is considered an auxiliary verb to the main verb "smashing" in this phrase:  "is smashing" is present progressive.

In the title The Smashing Pumpkins there is some ambiguity - it is either the pumpkins who are in the act of smashing (in this case, the auxiliary verb "which are" is implied rather than explicit), or it is pumpkins with the attribute "smashing" - consider instead The Clever Pumpkins.  Smashing, of course, being an adjective often connoting some level of awesomeness or attractive quality.

I suppose it could be a superposition of states - they could be smashing (adjectives) pumpkins which are presently smashing (verb).
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7606 on: November 06, 2021, 01:14:10 pm »

A destroying success, maybe?

I'd be fine with that - destroying used as an adjective, and the english languages as mongrels all the way down.

Grammar Fight!

Only if one wants to ignore actual history.  Seems to be all the rage recently!
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7607 on: November 06, 2021, 01:46:45 pm »

Adverb, gerund, rhombus, fuck it- the blame is on me for not understanding how to ask the question I was asking.

So, with that, I'd like to close the whole matter entirely and ask an entirely unrelated question.

SO.

The Smashing Pumpkins.

Plays all the time on alternative rock radio, right?

Does the phrase as illustrated by the band name describe the pumpkins as being of an excellent quality, or does it describe an act of violence upon pumpkins?
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7608 on: November 06, 2021, 01:50:26 pm »

its an interjection

Obviously. ->

Shucks, there is a plurality of the kind of the pumps inbound (waterpumps and such)
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7609 on: November 06, 2021, 02:58:43 pm »

Does the phrase as illustrated by the band name describe the pumpkins as being of an excellent quality, or does it describe an act of violence upon pumpkins?

or C) They are pumpkins that regularly smash things.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7610 on: November 14, 2021, 08:30:37 pm »

Do you have issues with sentence termination when they end in a quote (and the quote itself ends), especially if the end quote uses different punctuation from the sentence it's embedded in? For instance:
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You ever say, "Embrace nihilism today!"?

This example is contrived, yes. I've never said this sentence to anyone, and I doubt you'll be going out of your way to say this. The way I write tends to make this a problem. Omitting "!" would mangle the quote, but omitting "?" would mangle the question.

How would you resolve something like this, short of rearranging the sentence to avoid this unsightly punctuation-stacking?

Also, this is more a problem of thinking like a parser, but:
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I'm an idiot, I say shit like "this'll work first time, I swear!".
Inevitably, it doesn't.

I think convention would allow you to omit the full stop, but when I do that, I just see:

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stdin:1:75: error: expected end-of-sentence before start-of-sentence token
    1 |  I'm an idiot, I say shit like "this'll work first time, I swear!"
      |                                                                   ^
      |                                                        <end-of-sentence token>
    2 | Inevitably, it doesn't.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7611 on: November 24, 2021, 11:04:30 am »

Hey magmacube, what is rifat minare, is it good? sultan serbeth brand
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7612 on: November 24, 2021, 11:58:05 pm »

Do you have issues with sentence termination when they end in a quote (and the quote itself ends), especially if the end quote uses different punctuation from the sentence it's embedded in?

Yes, it is actually the bane of my existence.  Try two sentences.  Put the quote into a statement, then follow with a question.

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I heard that you said "Embrace nihilism today!"  Is that true?

The rule is clearer with sentences that end with period, as you can omit the period.

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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7613 on: November 25, 2021, 03:08:41 am »

I find stacking punctuation the better solution, even adding dots behind !"s and ?"s, even if it goes against what I learned in school. Punctuation exist to communicate tone and structure and this means the need to communicate the tone and structure of your words needs to be communicated if they are different from the inflection of the quote.

My realmost issues lie with the including of dots and commas from outside of the context of quotes with  the quotation marks though. That is just wrong no matter what they say.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7614 on: November 25, 2021, 04:21:53 am »

I find stacking punctuation the better solution, even adding dots behind !"s and ?"s, even if it goes against what I learned in school. Punctuation exist to communicate tone and structure and this means the need to communicate the tone and structure of your words needs to be communicated if they are different from the inflection of the quote.

My realmost issues lie with the including of dots and commas from outside of the context of quotes with  the quotation marks though. That is just wrong no matter what they say.

Agree to disagree on the first part.

As for the second, could you provide an example?  My brain isn't wrapping around it, and I'm trying to write better.

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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7615 on: November 25, 2021, 06:12:41 am »

"Agree to disagree on the first part," said EuchreJack.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7616 on: November 26, 2021, 07:28:44 am »

Whats the exact opposite of lame? Its not spry, in the semantic sense. Its supposed to capture incapable rather then unfunctional.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7618 on: November 26, 2021, 11:39:02 am »

I find stacking punctuation the better solution, even adding dots behind !"s and ?"s, even if it goes against what I learned in school. Punctuation exist to communicate tone and structure and this means the need to communicate the tone and structure of your words needs to be communicated if they are different from the inflection of the quote.

My realmost issues lie with the including of dots and commas from outside of the context of quotes with  the quotation marks though. That is just wrong no matter what they say.

Agree to disagree on the first part.

As for the second, could you provide an example?  My brain isn't wrapping around it, and I'm trying to write better.
"Agree to disagree on the first part," said EuchreJack.

See Bumber's words. The proper way to write it is to have the comma inside the quote, which I dislike because the  context of the comma is outside of the quote, to communicate the flow of the full sentence and things that while connected to the quote (who said it) is not of the quote itself -- Eucrejack doesn't end his sentences with comma pauses, the comma pause is in how the sentence flows to distinguish pause and continuation between the the quoted part from the "said-jack" part. Therefore it feeld natural to me that the comma should be written outside of the quote marks.

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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7619 on: November 26, 2021, 12:42:24 pm »

How. I agree with you that seems so wrong.
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