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Author Topic: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]  (Read 469230 times)

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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7620 on: November 26, 2021, 01:14:54 pm »

putting punctuation inside of quotes or outside adds information. If it's just "always put it on this end" then that's a missed opportunity, isn't it?
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7621 on: November 26, 2021, 01:36:21 pm »

But is it not the supposed rule that puts the comma allways inside that robs us from our freedom? I'll admit I never heard of it, but I'm basically picking among three convention sets, since I learned no same language throughout all my school career and onwards, so I'm not the person to ask.


I guess you could put it inside if you somehow found the cadence but not the rest of the sentence quoteworthy? If you want to point to more being left out, ellipsis (dot-dot-dot, had to look up ellipsis eventhough I overuse them imagine that :D) seems the obvious choice. I'm all for more "freeform" conventions, but like, the way I would read "blabla," makes it a super specific comma. Not that such a wordconstellation couldn't come up... But the question wether to put a space or more ("blabla,"|"blabla," |"blabla, " |) suffices to make it awkward.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7622 on: November 26, 2021, 02:32:33 pm »

putting punctuation inside of quotes or outside adds information. If it's just "always put it on this end" then that's a missed opportunity, isn't it?

Yeah, but like dragdeler says it's the rule that says "always put it inside the quote at the end of quotations" ;)

It gets even worse because if you interfix a "said X" in the middle of a sentence within commas, the "correct" way to do it is to put the comma inside the quotation marks at the end of the quote but then outside of the quotation marks at the end of the next sentence before the quote resumes (iirc), like: "I do like cookies," said scriver, "but I like buns too."
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7623 on: November 26, 2021, 11:19:35 pm »

Yeah, I agree with scriver.  That "proper" way is a misquote.  It doesn't exactly convey what was said.  It lies.

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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7624 on: November 28, 2021, 04:49:14 am »

Yeah, I agree with scriver.  That "proper" way is a misquote.  It doesn't exactly convey what was said.  It lies.

Agreed. Not sure about you specifically, but I'm used to thinking of quotes to indicate string literals in any given programming language. Quotes must only contain exactly what's in the quoted text, no more, no less. Else, you end up mangling the quote.

Also, if you're writing keyboard commands for people to perform, adding punctuation within quotes might not go so well. It's not a habit you want people to get into, even if that does only yield innocent syntax errors almost all the time. Worst example I can think of is accidentally waiting 10 instants (by pressing ".") in DF's Adventure Mode. For those not in the know, this is how you die in fights.

"I do like cookies," said scriver, "but I like buns too."

That's the correct way to do it?! I would've accepted either
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"I do like cookies", said scriver, "but I like buns too."

or, though I'll warn this style may mangle the intended timing and tone,
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"I do like cookies..." said scriver, "...but I like buns too."
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7625 on: December 03, 2021, 05:41:28 pm »

edit: barely a question and a stupid one at that.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2021, 05:55:57 pm by dragdeler »
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7626 on: December 04, 2021, 01:00:05 pm »

edit: barely a question and a stupid one at that.
Damn, now I want to hear THE QUESTION.  So my question is what was the question. But hey, no probs.

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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7627 on: December 04, 2021, 01:56:36 pm »

Wether I can justify in good conscience to get fastfood when there is food at home in a slightly eccentric rant. Sorry to underwhelm you  :D
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7628 on: December 04, 2021, 01:59:11 pm »

Wether I can justify in good conscience to get fastfood when there is food at home in a slightly eccentric rant. Sorry to underwhelm you  :D
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7629 on: December 10, 2021, 03:49:17 pm »

How will the world make itself dumber? There's so much reason to be smart these days its honestly getting unejoyable.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7630 on: December 10, 2021, 05:20:11 pm »

How will the world make itself dumber? With open arms, in one word: emoji

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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7631 on: December 10, 2021, 08:31:23 pm »

Adding new symbols to represent a bunch of different emotions and stuff doesn't seem very closely related to the concept of the government removing a bunch of words from the language in order to discourage critical thought.
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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7632 on: December 10, 2021, 09:32:08 pm »

Actually, emojis exist to convey what words alone can not properly convey. They should be used in addition to, not instead of, words. Emojis are actually a good thing.

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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7633 on: December 10, 2021, 11:06:33 pm »

Actually, emojis exist to convey what words alone can not properly convey. They should be used in addition to, not instead of, words. Emojis are actually a good thing.

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Re: The small random questions thread [WAAAAAAAAAAluigi]
« Reply #7634 on: December 10, 2021, 11:43:31 pm »

Actually, emojis exist to convey what words alone can not properly convey. They should be used in addition to, not instead of, words. Emojis are actually a good thing.

Yeah, hard disagree with McTraveller: until we see a new phone that only has emojis, or a keyboard which defaults to emoji and discourage keyboard use, there's no limitations being put down, and emoji simplify (yes, that could be bad, but isn't necessarily) emotion expression. If anything, emoji facilitate a deeper and quicker conveyence of nuance.
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