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[HraTaika]

Alright,

I've got the option of choosing between the following:

- Gorillas
- Rhinoceros
- Giant Eagles
- Grizzley Bears
- Giant Red Pandas

Which one would you recommed for my mainstay War Animal?

Note that pasture/grazer requirements have been removed.

[Garath]

Rhino and Giant red panda

flying creatures are actually pretty fragile and tend to sort of suicide if they get injured (gets injured, tries to fly away, goes unconcious, falls down multiple z-levels).

Gorrillas and the bears are simply outclassed by the rhino and by pretty much anything that has "giant"

[Tirion]

I'd go with the bears, gorillas and rhinos take ages to grow up.

[Garath]

I'd go with the bears, gorillas and rhinos take ages to grow up.

keep the rhinos untill the breeding has gone long enough (3 years wasn't it, or 5?) then butcher the bears. Bears are stronger than the gorilla and bigger. The gorilla loses out in any situation

[HraTaika]

Sounds good people, thanks!

[Garath]

for war animals you gotta keep in mind HSHS. Horns, Size, Hooves, Special

The bigger the better. Not only are they less likely to get hurt, they also do more damage. Horns and hooves are crushers and killers, very effective. Special, well, that's where you get the spiders, snakes, scorpions and other things with webs and venom. A gorilla is big, but not that big, has no horns hooves or specials. The bear is bigger, but no horns, hooves or special. The rhino is bigger, has horns and hooves. The red panda is bigger still, but no horns, hooves or specials

[slothen]

ANCIENT PSYCHIC TANDEM WAR ELEPHANT!

[Garath]

ANCIENT PSYCHIC TANDEM WAR ELEPHANT!

sorry, you're right, I forgot to add tusks

[HraTaika]

Depending a little what those pointy-eared buggers bring me next time, I might get a couple elephants in the next caravan. Remember sawing one last time they visited.

I'm kinda excited to see how the Pandas and Rhinos fare after a couple of years breeding, notably the rhinos. There is just something in the visual that gets me all hyped up! Managed to get rid of most of the dogs now that the Grizzleys are starting to grow up. Good lord how much food, leather and bones. O_o

[UrbanGiraffe]

Aren't rhinos grazers that have too high of dietary requirements to actually survive in captivity? Or was that fixed? Red pandas shouldn't need to graze, they're like little fox things if I recall correctly.

[Garath]

Aren't rhinos grazers that have too high of dietary requirements to actually survive in captivity? Or was that fixed? Red pandas shouldn't need to graze, they're like little fox things if I recall correctly.

see OP: grazing not an issue. I figured he removed grazer tags.

I had a war rhino in a fort in 34.07 and it was regularly stomping anything to dust. I kind of felt sorry for some kobold, since it was repeatedly stabbed, gored and trampled but only in the legs. It finally lost concious before it was put out of it's misery. An attack by a rhino horn will almost always shatter bones.

[orius]

He removed the grazer tags, so the rhinos should be killer.  Otherwise, I'd only bother with rhinos for meat because of the grazer insanity, and go with the bears. 

[GreatWyrmGold]

Rhinos are heavy grzers. I think they're with elephants and dralthas in the "Can't keep themselves fed without modding" category, so avoid them.

Giant red pandas also require to graze. I think they can, theoretically, keep themselves fed, but they need bamboo. Unless you've got abundant bamboo, avoid pandas for ANY purpose.

Fliers are cool, but as you live in a mine, not too useful. Use the giant eagles as an ornament, not as your first line of defense.

That leaves gorillas and grizzly bears, both of which are solid choices. Please note that, short of megabeasts, pretty much nothing is really going to stand a good chance against an armed, armored soldier. Unless perhaps it's an elf. EDIT: Or not in a fair fight.

[Garath]

Rhinos are heavy grzers. I think they're with elephants and dralthas in the "Can't keep themselves fed without modding" category, so avoid them.

Giant red pandas also require to graze. I think they can, theoretically, keep themselves fed, but they need bamboo. Unless you've got abundant bamboo, avoid pandas for ANY purpose.

Fliers are cool, but as you live in a mine, not too useful. Use the giant eagles as an ornament, not as your first line of defense.

That leaves gorillas and grizzly bears, both of which are solid choices. Please note that, short of megabeasts, pretty much nothing is really going to stand a good chance against an armed, armored soldier. Unless perhaps it's an elf. EDIT: Or not in a fair fight.

I continue to be amazed at people who read over the fact posted more than once throughout the dsicussion that he removed the grazer tag, or did something else to not make it an issue. Obviously, he is aware of the problems with elephants, rhinos and pandas (and some others).

[HraTaika]

I had a war rhino in a fort in 34.07 and it was regularly stomping anything to dust. I kind of felt sorry for some kobold, since it was repeatedly stabbed, gored and trampled but only in the legs. It finally lost concious before it was put out of it's misery. An attack by a rhino horn will almost always shatter bones.

Sounds pretty awesome, did you benefit from them during sieges?

I continue to be amazed at people who read over the fact posted more than once throughout the dsicussion that he removed the grazer tag, or did something else to not make it an issue. Obviously, he is aware of the problems with elephants, rhinos and pandas (and some others).

It's the formating I think, people skimed the topic and missed the fact that I've removed the grazer requirements, probably cause it was the last sentence after the question. Changed it now for whoever might read this in the future.