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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2012, 11:47:52 am »

well, I'm all for nuclear power (so long as it has the appropriate failsafes)

fun fact: an average person gets more radiation from medical X-rays than from nuclear power

Funnier fact: You get more radiation from watching your television (the old ones, not the new flat ones) then from nuclear power..*

*Provided you don't live near a nuclear reactor or storage area or something. While still below safe numbers, there's hightened radiation
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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2012, 04:18:48 pm »

And living near coal power plants will give you more radiation as well.

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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2012, 04:55:02 pm »

Nuclear Power is pretty cool, guy. Just make sure it isn't produced by a bunch of idiots with slow reaction times TEPCO.

*Might I add that Fukushima is still leaking radiation, but apparently no one cares anymore
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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2012, 04:59:08 pm »

Isnt there a HUEG amount of uranium left?
IIRC, we have enough for about 200 years, assuming we retain current usage levels. If usage levels increase, that number plummets.
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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2012, 05:59:47 pm »

My two cents (in relation to the OP on Gen IV reactors), but several of the Gen IV reactors designs actually can't be used for enriching to weapon levels. Yes the same idea of reprocessing spent fuel exists with Gen IV reactors, but the process used to recycle the fuel is a totally different one, one that actually makes it harder to obtain the weapon fuels out of the recycled material due to the way that they are bound up in the fuel. (I mean it would seriously be easier to just process the fuel to weapons-grade in the first place if you wanted to rather then running it through this type of reprocessing and then trying to extract it).

The basic problems the U.S. has with Gen IV reactors are these:
1)They are expensive to build and make, and since Uranium is so cheap right now nobody wants to spend money on them, regardless of the fact that we have tons of nuclear waste piling up without a place to put it. (Of course currently the U.S. government is losing millions of dollars in lawsuits every year because they promised the nuclear companies that they would have a place to store their waste (by 2010 IIRC), and now that they've canceled Yucca Mountain they don't have one.)

2)When the laws were made "reprocessing" equaled PUREX (the process that generates weapon-grade materials). Since then several new types of reprocessing have been invented that don't allow for the creation of weapons-grade materials, but since the law says "reprocessing is banned" then all of these are, and nobody wants to take the trouble to go back and get it changed to say "PUREX is banned (excluding military use)".


Personally I've got to go with the SFR Reactor (Gen IV) for the win though. I mean it runs on spent fuels up to and including weapons-grade material. It only requires highly fissile stuff (that could potentially be transformed into weapons-grade) to start it up in the first place, after which it will run on old fuels that normally would last millions of years. It can potentially burn up to 99% of the fuel put into it, assuming you just keep reprocessing it over and over again. The wastes that it does have generally only last for centuries as opposed to millenniums. And lastly some of the designs are immune to power-failure induced meltdowns like we almost saw in Japan since they are designed in such a way that if power is cut it stops the reaction from continuing rather then the reaction continuing but the cooling system stopping. I mean sure if they leak they might leak Sodium (highly reactive with water) and Argon (asphyxiant), but personally I would rather have a fire and suffocation problem at the site then a nuclear meltdown that could potentially kill everything in the area for decades.
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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2012, 07:08:18 pm »

*Might I add that Fukushima is still leaking radiation, but apparently no one cares anymore
Negligible amounts.

Nuclear fission does have one big disadvantage: The more waste is generated, the deeper you'll have to dig to store it.... Or chuck it in a mountain, but that's not nearly as Fun.

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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2012, 07:57:44 pm »

We don't want a nuclear balrog on our hands.

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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2012, 07:59:38 pm »

I don't think balrogs are immune to radiation.

Remember that thing Gandalf did? Shot light at him and it made him flinch. We can do the same by tossing radioactive waste at one.
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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2012, 09:01:22 pm »

No H3 love?
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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2012, 09:11:04 pm »

No H3 love?

H3? Do you mean Tritium or something? Because I don't think that's actually called H3 >_>

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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2012, 09:35:16 pm »

Helium 3. H3 or HE3 are the two acronyms I know  for it.
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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2012, 09:45:14 pm »

Yeah, tritium. A proton, 2 neutrons, and an electron.

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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2012, 02:50:01 am »

That's hydrogen 3. Helium 3 would be two protons and three neutrons.
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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2012, 04:08:55 am »

Ah, thats kind of an awesome fuel, but we dont have alot of it on our planet. I think the gas giants have quite a bit tough.
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Re: Nuclear Power: Discusion thread
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2012, 04:11:12 am »

That's hydrogen 3. Helium 3 would be two protons and one neutron.
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