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mik

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Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« on: October 18, 2012, 11:06:01 pm »

I'm sure this has been answered many times but I can't find the right combination of search terms here or on google to pull up an answer.

Managing my squads is incredibly frustrating because every dwarf who's listed with good innate military skills in Dwarf Therapist isn't listed in the candidate list for recruitment to my squads. This is an issue I've run into with other assignments, but it's definitely MOST irritating when setting up my military.

What criteria is determining this? Why are all my most skilled military dwarves totally unavailable for the military? I've tried disabling all their other jobs, I've made sure they're not wounded or indisposed or otherwise in some state that might make them unfit for activity. Why the bugger can't I find them as candidates?

General tips for why this happens in other areas (i.e. why is my top negotiator not available to be the broker) are also appreciated.
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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2012, 01:08:37 am »

That seems weird, are you sure they are not there? It can be easy to miss them on a long list.

Try assigning nicknames, maybe it'll make it easier to spot them. I use M1-M2-M3 etc for each squad, and it indents their name on the list.
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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2012, 01:24:27 am »

Yeah they're definitely not there. It happens to me often enough that I'm sure it's not just a matter of not seeing them. Either there's a bug in play or I don't fully understand what criteria might keep somebody out of the lists.

Is there anything beyond being seriously wounded or a child that would disqualify a random dwarf from candidacy for the military or any given noble position?
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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2012, 02:25:49 am »

Maybe this bug is related? Are you playing an old game on the new version?
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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2012, 03:44:34 am »

Nope. I've only just started playing so I never even had an older version installed to potentially muck things up.

Are there any traits or anything like that which would preclude a dwarf from service? I looked over the candidates I couldn't find for something like "wets self at the sight of weaponry" or something lol. Nothing jumped out at me, though.
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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2012, 04:32:44 am »

As far as I know, the only times they can't be recruited are when they are children or migrants, or missing. I think even a wounded dwarf can be assigned to a squad.

Maybe they are "on break"?
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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2012, 04:37:55 am »

Only times I've had dwarves not show up in the list is those that's militia leader of other squads, even if it's an empty disbanded squad ( You can check them in nobility screen ). Otherwise, I've not seen it happen.

I've had barons assignable, so it's not nobility for me.
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mik

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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2012, 05:01:33 am »

Hmm. I guess the next time it happens I'll back up a save and see if it's appropriate for a bug report then.

Thanks for the help though!
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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2012, 07:39:07 am »

Are the units visible on the normal units screen?
Therapist sometimes messes up on me by listing ghosts and dwarves who are messed up with the trader bug as actually usable dwarves.
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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2012, 09:17:10 am »

I had this problem.  Read this.  And do what XXSockXX says, latest DFHack + tweak fixmigrant

These new migrants with high military skills are MIA, because of that fat ass @ on the fringe of your region, who refuses to move out of the way.

Edit:  When you use fixmigrant or makeown, make sure to k target the fella ya wanna convert, seduce to the dorf-side.  Pardon my, my inner Yoda.
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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2012, 10:29:04 am »

There are also vampires, who will show up with a different name in DFTherapist and in game.
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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2012, 01:53:40 pm »

I thought that one was fixed.
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Honestly at the time, I didn't see what could go wrong with crowding 80 military Dwarves into a small room with a necromancer for the purpose of making bacon.

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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2012, 02:14:55 pm »

Ahhhhhhhhhhh. Welp, I'm gonna bet it's definitely one of those things going on then. It's too late for me to check with the guys who were causing me the hassle when I posted this because they've since disappeared, but I definitely have a vampire (got my first ever "found drained of blood" message last night) and the southern edge of my zone is a very steep series of cliffs on the other side of the river. That makes sense then.

The next time I run into that I'll make sure to scour the map for any signs of a migrant block, and I'll hunt down my vampire just because anyway.

Thanks!
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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2012, 08:38:31 pm »

I migth be having a similar problem.

My dwarves show on the lists of dwarves to recruit / enlist.

But the df military screen does not show them as "axe-dwarf" or "sword-dwarf" skilled even though they are.  -I checked the equpiment was set to "individual choice melee"... for both slots I was trying to fill. But while I had 5 dwarves with various levels of axe, spear, sword or hammer, I was notified of only two of them when scrolling through.

Do they need to have a certain level past novice to be shown with skill?

I already have a nick-name scheme for jobs, I'd hate to have to tweak it for military skills too on my "reserve" squads. -guys that are civilians most of the time doing jobs, but called on for emergencies. The nicknames are already long and complicated ..
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Re: Why are dwarves not listed as military candidates?
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2012, 10:34:05 pm »

Okay, actually no, I haven't figured it out yet.

Like right now, I've got this dwarf Led I'm trying to draft. In Dwarf Therapist he's got the military skills I'm looking for, he's a gemsetter, and his current job is collecting clay. Not only doesn't he appear as a recruitment candidate, he doesn't appear in my unit list at all. Nobody in the gemcutting or jewelry profession, and nobody currently collecting clay in my unit list matches the characteristics of the Led I'm looking at in Dwarf Therapist, which seems to preclude a mismatch between his listed name with Therapist. They also show no signs of being a vampire. I've changed his nickname in Therapist to include numbers, and he still doesn't show up in any unit list.

I've pored over the boundaries of the map and don't see anything that looks like a migrant block, or any unaccounted for citizens standing around like they're bugged migrants.

What could the issue possibly be? I guess I could go over each and every unit within DF itself looking for his skillset but at that point I'd probably just say screw it and learn to ignore these units for assignments, because that particular portion of the interface crosses well over my line of tolerance for clunky.  :-[

*edit* The one and only unaccounted for detail that I can see right now is that one of the entries in his skillset in Therapist is "Novice UNKNOWN."

*edit edit* Okay another discrepancy. Therapist lists one more very skilled (Master) gemsetter alongside Led, but in the DF unit list itself the only gemsetter is listed as only being "Adequate," and his name isn't the same as it is in Therapist.

I'm more and more thinking these are Therapist bugs, not DF ones. And that would suck. Because I depend a lot on Therapist and have zero interest in using the native interface to deal with skills and jobs.  :'(

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EDIT Okay. One more discovery after going over the entire map tile by tile. Donno how I missed it the first time. In the upper left corner of the map there is one tile of "clay wall" with up ramps surrounding it. On the z-level above the up ramps lead to it just says "siltstone" on that tile. I can't manipulate it in any way, can't smooth it, can't mine/channel it (obviously since it's at the edge of the map,) can't do anything to it. The "siltstone" above is listed as outside/light, the "clay wall" below is (still on the actual ground) is listed as subterranean/dark. Is there a dfhack I can use to delete the wall on that tile or somehow clear what looks to be an unknown obstruction?

It looks like this, in the very corner of the map, where X is the clay wall and * are the ramps. This is on the primary outside ground level.

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One Z-level up it is exactly the same only the clay wall is just "siltstone," not "siltstone wall" or "floor" or whatever, and it's surrounded by empty space/air.
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