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[anailater]

I think we should bring up the fact to Gwen that when the child is old enough she will stop being hopelessly in love with us, we should ask her about her old dreams that were crushed by her douche-bag husband, and try to help fulfil them, we don't want her to suddenly freak out with her tounge in our ear.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

whatever dreams she had they are  not available for a night troll. We'll only hurt her reminding about

And our relationships with her are much deeper than simple instincts. It will be fine even after the loss of the instinct. It's not like she will hate our son or something

[anailater]

No but she may come to hate us, she'll probably stay regardless though, also were working on adapting the enchantment from the mermaids bracelet to let us take the form of humans/elves/dwarves.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Why should she hate us?
And let's not say " Sweetie, you don't love me at all it's instincts... "This is a sure way to make her question her feelings

As for camouflage enchantment... That is very advanced stuff, I doubt that we get that anytime soon

[anailater]

She would maybe not hate us, but she may resent us, her husband sold her to us and we didn't even try to stop him, we transformed her into one of our kind without consent, we need to make her see the beauty in her new life.

[gman8181]

I'm not saying our night troll should be a completely evil ass who enjoys slaughtering babies and eating grandmas.  I just don't feel like necromancy is really such a bad thing.  We already are enemies with the elves from killing and eating them.  So what if they have one more reason to dislike us.  Are you really going to let what they think influence our decisions?  This is a game set in a completely different universe, whose to say how necromancers are viewed.  Can you honestly say it is any more "evil" than corrupting people's bodies and souls to become night creatures?  So what if it's in our nature.  Keep in mind our character has killed innocents, raped people, stolen souls, corrupted life forms for our own needs, and hell we even killed kids whose only mistake was being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Does all that make us evil?  By normal standards from our world it definitely does.  We aren't trying to be jerks though, we just do the things we need to or what we feel is right.  So by that logic I think its fair to say that necromancy is not evil, it's another tool at our disposal and a very useful one at that.  We don't have to go around slaughtering villages, raising corpses and laughing but why not have a few useful but non vital allies on our side.  They cost us absolutely nothing that we wouldn't already lose.

[anailater]

But our character has already showed he doesn't view necromancy as right or needed, and killing those kids was a dick move from us, they could have lived none the wiser.

[Corruptor]

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Left stone was so close. I am still 100% that it was the best option by far.
Well we lost our ranger, but we got a messenger, airborne fire support, a queen of the birds and a potential mother of flying trolls subrace. ( but, no we aren't raping Alice to get the child, it's a very delicate situation in fact. )
We should suggest Alice (not order, never use ordering tone on her) to chat with some birds and learn how to fly (carefully, not far above ground) , while we take lessons about Nocteclaw ways 

As for necromancy and other morality stuff

Our character is not evil, it's clearly seen from his relationships with Gwen and Alice. Stop applying the video game logic. We kill to eat and in self-defense.  We rape because we have on other means to reproduce. It's just our way of life. Even from strategy point of view it's better to maintain a nice reputation, we constantly get mortal allies here and there

Necromancers need not be evil - it's a form of magic, it all depends how you use it. I'm not suggesting we unleash zombie plagues on the world, merely that all the skeletons that we generate could be put to use.

Think of it as the medieval-fantasy equivalent of robotics. We actually don't know what people think of Necromancy in this world, other than that there was a Dwarven Madam who seemed to be profiting thereby with the art, with little consequences and certainly no lynch mobs coming after her.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

anailater,
It was a simple hunting, nothing more nothing less

Corruptor
This is DF world, and in DF known necromancers are supposed to get killed on sight.
If we have a grain of respect to the prey suggest to not use it's remains as "robots"

As for the Dwarven Madam , I am sure that she wouldn't be accepted in dwarven society. Also I am sure that if her necromancy would be known to the public she would get lynched.

What we need to decide is what to do with enchantments, night trolls considered that unethical and waste of souls, but we can't just prohibit Gwen to use it. She likes the art. And sometimes it's required
Remember that our character was disgusted by soul gathering, when Vindel ordered to do that

We really need to know what Nightclaw thinks about enchantments and necromancy, should ask the mermaid

(I suggest to bold suggestions that aren't part of this huge long term discussions and may be useful for the next update)

[anailater]

While the original night trolls may have dis liked enchantment, we are the new breed, our mother wasn't struck down by the night troll god, so we can assume it's o.k.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Why should Nightclaw strike down some random consort that was banned to use enchantments?

[anailater]

Because she supported the use of them in the first place and she probably used them in secret anyway, she had birthed, and probably got back to her elfish ways after, except with more forced pregnancies and slaughter.

[gman8181]

But our character has already showed he doesn't view necromancy as right or needed, and killing those kids was a dick move from us, they could have lived none the wiser.

He hasn't shown any negative views towards it either.  It's a useful skill, it is not evil anymore than fire magic is evil.  What we do with it is what matters.  We don't go around setting villagers on fire just for lols and neither will we raise corpses left and right without discrimination.

anailater,
It was a simple hunting, nothing more nothing less

Corruptor
This is DF world, and in DF known necromancers are supposed to get killed on sight.
If we have a grain of respect to the prey suggest to not use it's remains as "robots"

As for the Dwarven Madam , I am sure that she wouldn't be accepted in dwarven society. Also I am sure that if her necromancy would be known to the public she would get lynched.

What we need to decide is what to do with enchantments, night trolls considered that unethical and waste of souls, but we can't just prohibit Gwen to use it. She likes the art. And sometimes it's required
Remember that our character was disgusted by soul gathering, when Vindel ordered to do that

We really need to know what Nightclaw thinks about enchantments and necromancy, should ask the mermaid

(I suggest to bold suggestions that aren't part of this huge long term discussions and may be useful for the next update)

Simple hunting?  Good point children make much better prey.  They have more fear and they are much easier to kill.  Sure they have less meat but I'm sure we can just compensate for that by killing more of them right?  That sounds much more "good" than necromancy.  After all we're just following our instincts.

Necromancers aren't attacked on sight in DF.  The zombies they create are though.  In fact I've spent plenty of time wandering around human towns raising corpses and I've never been attacked.  So by dwarf fortress logic necromancers are perfectly okay. Just don't attack any farm animals or your dead.

Even say your right and necromancers are attacked on sight, what does that change?  I'm pretty sure elves are already on the "attack all night creatures on sight" policy.  Angry mobs are hardly a new threat.  I mean we did sorta just finish a confrontation with one.  Hell if we knew necromancy that encounter would probably have been much easier.

Are we really going to let nocteclaw or whatever decide everything for us?  We can't have all our decisions made for us, it would ruin the point of this entire thread.

I say let's promote the use of enchanting in our new night troll society so long as the soul is unusable for conversion.  This will also probably make Gwen happy. Also let's learn necromancy and use it RESPONSIBLY

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Simple hunting?  Good point children make much better prey.  They have more fear and they are much easier to kill.  Sure they have less meat but I'm sure we can just compensate for that by killing more of them right?  That sounds much more "good" than necromancy.

Yep, it's a feeding, logic of a predator. Neither good nor evil. Stop using CRPG scales

Are we really going to let nocteclaw or whatever decide everything for us?  We can't have all our decisions made for us, it would ruin the point of this entire thread.

No, but we don't gonna do something that isn't supported by our god of choice, disgusting and will alienate majority of possible allies just because  someone want more troops at any cost and\or " It's cool to be a necromancer" or " We are evil let's do all evil acts possible"

Another pointless derailing discussion... Tired of it.  Last post on the subject until we find a way to learn necromancy

[gman8181]

Ugh I wasn't using crpg scales I was trying to get the point across that necromancy isn't evil or good just like feeding isn't good or evil. It's all completely based off of perspective and how you use it.  Like you said we didn't eat the kid because we are trying to be good or evil, we did it because we needed to eat and because there was a treasure chest that we wanted.  Likewise we aren't going to learn necromancy because it's "cool" or because we want to be "evil." We would we using it because it is a useful and powerful tool.

What allies would we be insulting?  Foghorn?  I doubt it.  The mermaids?  We don't know their feelings on the matter?  The other night trolls? Nope.  The elves?  Wait, most of them already hate us and are trying to kill us so not like that will get much worse.

I guess you're right about asking our god though, assuming we do choose to worship this one.  Although I could have sworn someone was against worshiping this god before and wanted to keep our options open or serve no one or something like that.