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[GreatWyrmGold]

I'm willing to discuss the subject of necromancy if we ever find a way to learn it, otherwise... what's the point?
Personally i'm quite pleased by our current name.

+1 and what was our name again?

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I really hope that Alice's kid(s) get(s) the Phoenix gift.

I also officially suggest we impregnate Alice with the Left Stone ASAP.
Why?
It gets Alice back to herself quickly.
It shows Foghorn that we honor his daughter, because The Left Stone gift is a great one.
It increases the chance of having a breeding Phoenixified night troll, as "is female" is a pretty lacking gift.
Will there ever be a spouse good enough to use The Left Stone on if Alice wasn't?
Nocteclaw didn't guide us, and a lot of people are against giving a valuable Gift to someone that will probably be leaving soon, implying that that's not our "instinct" and therefore not what we "should" do to give it to the mermaid, its main other candidate.
Seriously, Alice deserves it. She was our first friend, ever.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

You have a funny understanding of good and evil - if it's useful than it's neither good or evil.... (Yes we are taling about different set of morals, but that doesn't matter)

And yes, I'd prefer more neutral, less hated god than Nocteclaw becase of the exactly same reason why I don't want necromancy:  That will get us more enemies and fewer allies

Some possible allies
1) Trees
2) Animals (We may choose a druid route easily... just protect forests from... elves. Isn't that ironic? We got two loyal trainers that can train us empathies to a nice level)
3) Other night creatures
4) Night creature empaths.
5) Humans that want to end elven domination
6) Various animal people (they are discriminated heavily by civilized races)
7) Various gods and their followers
Maaaaybe dwarves
9) Merfolk

Necromancy make it harder to cooperate with all that groups
Necromancy make us less acceptable for some future consorts (and we don't know opinions of current on that matter)

Damn, I debating on it again

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I agree with GreatWyrmGold, our main problem is that not very ethical to fuck a lesbian friend.... 
BTW, In some cases we may impregnate Alice and just send her away to raise daughter alone (like sure death)

If we can impregnate Alice during the conversion, in a such way that she doesn't even notice sex, then i SUPPORT impregnating Alice

[gman8181]

Alright well can we reach an compromise agreement by saying that we won't go out of our way to learn it but if the possibility presents itself we will?  Also if we learn it we don't have to use it a lot, I just feel like it could be a very useful trick to have up our sleeves.

PS I'm not trying to argue just for the sake of arguing, I just want to give the reasons why I feel it is a good idea and why I think it would be silly to let the opinions of the elves or the supposed morality of necromancy decide our options for us.  Even though we disagree, I understand where you're coming from and I can respect the opinion you have.

Last thing: I do think we should practice our magic overall while we're here, maybe cement some new alliances like animal people or humans and also practice riding on those giant birds (they could make a great mount for flying but we need to train)

[anailater]

U.R. If you remember, impregnation in night trolls is caused by touch, it's just that they usually have sex at the same time because sex.

Also, I know they are quite ugly but can someone with drive discriptive/drawing talent help me understand what I night trolls looks like?

[GreatWyrmGold]

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I agree with GreatWyrmGold, our main problem is that not very ethical to fuck a lesbian friend.... 
BTW, In some cases we may impregnate Alice and just send her away to raise daughter alone (like sure death)

If we can impregnate Alice during the conversion, in a such way that she doesn't even notice sex, then i SUPPORT impregnating Alice

I believe that impregnating her would fall under the "I'll do anything you need me to do" thing.
After this one time, we would of course ask Alice before impregnation.

I'm not sure about sending Alice away to raise her daughter. It would deprive us of Alice and leave our daughter to be raised by a new night troll, who can't use her old hunting methods because she has these big flamey wings. I'd rather keep them here, for our mutual aid. She can raise the daughter herself if she wishes, though.

Also, I k l ow they are quite ugly but can someone with drive discriptive/drawing talent help me understand what I night trolls looks like?

Depends on the night troll.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

GreatWyrmGold .  fix the post)

And yep, night trolls are very different from each other

[anailater]

As are all humans, but their should be some average.

[Corruptor]

You have a funny understanding of good and evil - if it's useful than it's neither good or evil.... (Yes we are taling about different set of morals, but that doesn't matter)

Untrue, torture is useful to interrogation yet considered evil by most. Friendship and love is useful for binding alliances, yet considered good.

And yes, I'd prefer more neutral, less hated god than Nocteclaw becase of the exactly same reason why I don't want necromancy:  That will get us more enemies and fewer allies

Nocteclaw is diminished and out of sight, out of mind for the vast majority of the "good" races. We are unlikely to garner significant enemies as a result of our unpublicized affiliation and patronage of It. The only ones who still seem remotely aware of him are potential allies, the merfolk. Thus does Nocteclaw bring us only gain.

Some possible allies
1) Trees
2) Animals (We may choose a druid route easily... just protect forests from... elves. Isn't that ironic? We got two loyal trainers that can train us empathies to a nice level)
3) Other night creatures
4) Night creature empaths.
5) Humans that want to end elven domination
6) Various animal people (they are discriminated heavily by civilized races)
7) Various gods and their followers
Maaaaybe dwarves
9) Merfolk

Other night creatures would likely be indifferent or supportive of Necromancy.

Dwarves are lawful good, and are unlikely to join with us regardless of the circumsances.

Merfolk are likely to ally with us already, as aforementioned as a result of Nocteclaw.

Trees are unlikely to care about Necromancy, nor are animals, so long as we don't harm either group with our creations.

Necromancy make it harder to cooperate with all that groups
Necromancy make us less acceptable for some future consorts (and we don't know opinions of current on that matter)

Regarding consorts, see the above statement about night creatures. I'm sure they would not consider feasting on elven flesh before their transformation either.

I respect your opinions, but you might be projecting your beliefs onto the npc's. This is a permadeath game with consequences and no redo's, I'm simply trying to use every avenue of power at our disposal.

However, in deference to the detractors of such a course of action, I would advocate that if we do learn and subsequently use Necromancy, we save our minions for guarding our key strongholds and/or when we direly need the support, so as not to incite more npc's to strike against our cause.

As for how to learn it, next time we see Foghorn we can ask about it. Alright, I said my piece and shan't argue any more about it. Sithis forbid this turn into the new version of the alice debate...

[GreatWyrmGold]

As are all humans, but their should be some average.

Not so much...
They range from green, eyeless people who grind bones to reddish winged humanoids to gray, backwards freaks who eat bugs purple one-eyed one-horned people eaters. And these guys have more types of abilities...

On the topic of necromancy, I have nothing against learning it if we can. Using it? Depends on the circumstances.

[Grek]

Our specific Night Troll looks kinda like a tattooed frogman, if that's what you're asking.

[anailater]

What colour skin? because for some reason I picture him black with white tattoos, with a basically humanoid structure, with insectoid bones on the outside, with legs that sort off, bend into themselves. With no pants... I wonder what It looks like?

[GreatWyrmGold]

I imagined a more purpley skin.

[StrawBarrel]

I kind image him looking kind of like the character in this game:
http://www.gamefudge.com/Murloc-RPG

[gman8181]

I picture a dark purple skin verging on black, with sort of glowy white tattoos and green eyes.  Never really thought of him as insect like before but I guess that could make sense based off the description.

[Grek]

Our troll has chameleon skin. It's not specific colour, just whatever colour the background is.