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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Let's Get Al Back
« Reply #5520 on: June 04, 2013, 09:16:53 pm »

Slog was brought in by what appears to have been a function of the Warrens though.
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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Let's Get Al Back
« Reply #5521 on: June 04, 2013, 09:18:57 pm »

Apart from Al mentioning he hasn't been on the surface in "three years," he also mentions that Cherish was "what, 8-9 when I first found you?" in his letter. So yeah, unless somebody has been wiping the memories of both Al and Cherish and reincarnating Cherish as younger version of herself, then it's probably only been 3 years for him.
I had thought that it was 3 years since he was in the Warrens proper, not the surface, and that he found Cherish after entering the Warrens. (The latter especially because she wasn't in the flashback.)
Still, good points. I guess it depends on whose assumptions are correct.

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Couple that with the "Ciro is the Silents" theory (or even just the "Ciro must have met Al multiple times if he has past-life memories of him to draw on" part of it) and we have established that one cycle takes place in, at most, three years, and likely much more frequently than that. If we can nail down how often Al sees Silents, and how long the "between-cycle" period is, then we can make a good guess at how long a given cycle lasts. Which could be important to know, considering we probably die at the end of each one.
Indeed. Depending on how many Cycles, each could probably be not much more than several months.

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It wouldn't surprise me at all if Al making the Active Party was a "rare/never happened before" occurrence, considering it took both Ciro attempting to recruit him AND rolling a nat 20 to succeed.
Assuming a mean cycle length of 1 month, a duration in the Warrens of 3 years precisely, and a 50% chance of trying, the math suggests such.

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It's interesting to speculate on how much of the Underside Al had ready access to. He mentioned bringing bodies to Mili's house, so either he was murdering villagers or he was able to sneak past Wilford to the Outer Underside. If that's the case, I wonder why he didn't climb up that ladder back to the Warrens, since he definitely wants to escape the Underside.
Perhaps he never saw it, or perhaps some traumatic experience occurred there. If I was about to try out a ladder, and a dead body fell down (for example), I wouldn't go up there. Or someone he trusted told him not to...

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I also don't think Ciro dying that early in the cycle is a regular occurrence, and is likely one of a few major aberrations from the regular cycle that occur during Al's Story.
True. And a bit obvious.

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Man, when your "last dying request" in a letter addressed to your foster daughter is that you want a dude straight up murdered, especially as a priority before the "escape the Warrens" mission you've been pursuing the last three years, you're probably serious about it.
See above.

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LSS... the Chief said to "check or use" the LSS in the Greens, so it probably is something fixed there. Using it wasn't a given, so it seems unlikely to be the Revival Tube (if it was the Revival Tube, he'd know we'd have to use it to bring back Ciro, and it didn't really have much to "check on.") The only other thing in the Greens... is that big sphere thingy? Does it actually have a use?
Hm...
Well, either the LSS is that sphere and we should investigate it, or there's more than one LSS. I tend towards the latter for various reasons, mostly that I'm having trouble imagining what the LSS would be. Something Something Sphere? Ley Line Sphere, maybe?

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As far as I can tell, Yaos died for intruding in the Warrens, or as part of some kind of Faustian deal. I still respect him for taking the shotgun to the face, but damn his maudlin ramblings that did not clear up anything about why he was down here, or how he got here, or what. I'd say the whole thing was a Big Red-Lipped Alligator Moment, but I think we're just not putting the clues together and/or future events will illuminate what the fuck that was all about.
I'd call him more of a Wacky Wayside Tribe.
Who will be foreshadowing something.

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That said, it's a good question. We're one of the Siblings, so we didn't really come from outside the Warrens, we just thought we did. Al came from outside the Warrens, and hasn't died (though he does have that whole vampire thing that may or may not predate the Warrens.) Yaos came from outside the Warrens, and seems to have paid for his transgression with his life. Why Yaos, and not Al?
Some kind of deal, or maybe the method of entry?
Perhaps if we knew why Yaos's Soul Star gave MP regen and various gems and stuff, we could figure it out.

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I'm REALLY PRETTY SURE KINDA that Yaos is a dude. At least, I don't recall FFS referring to Yaos with feminine pronouns at any point, and I think he did use masculine ones. Too lazy to check, gender is irrelevant.
He called Yaos a guy when people were confused the first time.

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Remind me, what happened a fraction of a turn before we died?
We switched the perspective to Al.
I'm not sure what this did, in-character; maybe it let some of Ciro's vital essence seep inside Al to keep his spirit tethered to the world and stop it from reincarnating?
I'm really thinking that this is the thing we did different from every previous cycle. The branching point from which all other discrepancies arise.
Why do I keep feeling like pointing out that these things seem obvious?
Of course, depending on how long the Cycles have been going on...

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Here's a question- when Riltia fell in the acid, Oric/Betweenford went all Deus Ex Machina to keep her alive in order to perpetuate the cycle. So why didn't they act when Ciro died before that? Were they unable (as he possessed his own Soul Star) or unwilling (they really do want him dead-dead) or were they trying but just offscreen? That whole bomb in the mailbox really could have been intended solely to get Al and Ciro's body out of Underside and into the Greens, where he could be revived. Implying they don't know about Al and his vampire revival that was already going to happen.
Or maybe there was something in the acid that acted as a catalyst, causing the mutation or letting it happen?
Did any other non-Illborn fall in? Maybe we should toss Milli's corpse in the acid pool (when our lives aren't currently in much peril and we feel like remedying that while performing science)?

@coming in from outside kills you:
Slog came in from outside and he didn't asplode into evil soul thing.
He was a mercenary. Presumably they have some way of getting hired without kasplodies.
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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Let's Get Al Back
« Reply #5522 on: June 04, 2013, 09:34:58 pm »

Quick two cents' worth: Yaos was a loner. He broke into the Warrens for who-knows-what reason. Al broke in because he heard a cry for help (probably Cherish). Yaos had nothing to live for; Al has Cherish.

Ye gods I sound like a 90's anime.

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I didn't have a choice. The prisoners were relocated.

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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Let's Get Al Back
« Reply #5523 on: June 04, 2013, 09:36:35 pm »

Yaos was a girl?!

We called him a guy; he said we mocked her.
Yaos is Gurhl; and became drained by the dungeon(due to bad soul star luck)

Al came in; got a decent soul star, and kills things(some probably not Illborn), so he didnt get drained(as fast)
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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Let's Get Al Back
« Reply #5524 on: June 04, 2013, 09:48:59 pm »

Quick two cents' worth: Yaos was a loner. He broke into the Warrens for who-knows-what reason. Al broke in because he heard a cry for help (probably Cherish). Yaos had nothing to live for; Al has Cherish.

Ye gods I sound like a 90's anime.

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I didn't have a choice. The prisoners were relocated.

This is probably significant.
I suspect that the method of entry is more important. But until we unlock time travel, we'll never...
I know what we're doing next Oversoul.

Yaos is Gurhl
A what?

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and became drained by the dungeon(due to bad soul star luck)

Al came in; got a decent soul star, and kills things(some probably not Illborn), so he didnt get drained(as fast)
Hm...Interesting theory. Two things to consider:
1. Do people not in the Warrens have Soul Stars? If not, this brings up more questions about them...
2. One thing from reading this too fast: What if motives for entering the Warrens have something to do with the results?
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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: that sure is a lot of plot
« Reply #5525 on: June 04, 2013, 09:50:56 pm »

Yaos hits his final red number and runs out of Soul Charge.

Yaos is male.

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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Let's Get Al Back
« Reply #5526 on: June 04, 2013, 09:54:29 pm »

MYSTERIES OF THE WARRENS
WHO IS BETWEENFORD
WHAT ARE THE WARRENS
WHAT ARE THE CYCLES?!
AND WHAT GENDER IS YAOS?!?!
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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Let's Get Al Back
« Reply #5527 on: June 04, 2013, 09:57:37 pm »

You forgot "When will the players give up on bringing Slog back to life?"
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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Let's Get Al Back
« Reply #5529 on: June 04, 2013, 10:00:22 pm »

Here's on to support the Greens' being a Life Support!

For when the bomb went off!

Also having this little theory about the OS being sentient.(at least during revival)
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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Let's Get Al Back
« Reply #5530 on: June 04, 2013, 10:07:31 pm »

Oh wow. I missed something obvious. Oric has an eyepatch.

Oric wants Ciro dead because Ciro stabbed/shot/did something to Oric's eye to make it non-functional/gone.

The Moby Dick explanation.

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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Let's Get Al Back
« Reply #5531 on: June 04, 2013, 10:13:54 pm »

Um, for those wondering why Yaos died and others didn't, I'm pretty sure it was because Yaos' "purpose" or "soul function" or whatever was to make that fancy-arse weapon, presumably in Gem form. Or possibly the gem would lead to the weapon, or whatever.
Problem is, they weren't getting anywhere near enough Soul Charge incoming, so the Star trying to make the weapon used up all their Charge in the process, leading to Fun. I suspect if Yaos hadn't managed to find their Star, this would not have happened (the same way, anyway)  and they would be an Illborn instead, but I'm working off rather shaky reasoning there, mostly based around the fact Illborn have to come from somewhere.
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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Let's Get Al Back
« Reply #5532 on: June 04, 2013, 10:14:24 pm »

I think FFS was being intentionally vague and misleading on the Yaos Gender Question.  Gender here is clearly a tertiary concern at best.


Also, Yaos throws a monkey wrench in the whole It's All In Your Head theory.  Breaking into someone's head is rather difficult.  (Except, you know, literally.)
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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Let's Get Al Back
« Reply #5533 on: June 04, 2013, 10:23:32 pm »

Here's on to support the Greens' being a Life Support!

For when the bomb went off!
Something to note supporting my pet "space station or something" theory:
A spacecraft intended for indefinite use would need plants, not just for food but for oxygen, to breathe.
Ta-dah. We have the Greens, the only place we've seen plants, being used to gauge how much time is left before we run out of precious O2.

Oh wow. I missed something obvious. Oric has an eyepatch.

Oric wants Ciro dead because Ciro stabbed/shot/did something to Oric's eye to make it non-functional/gone.

The Moby Dick explanation.
Or Oric got an eye patch because he wants to look mysterious?
It certainly fits in with his villainy-known-induced scowl. He's a villain and proud of it.

Also, Yaos throws a monkey wrench in the whole It's All In Your Head theory.  Breaking into someone's head is rather difficult.  (Except, you know, literally.)
A few possibilities.
1. Obviously enough, Yaos was simply another element of the hallucination.
2. Yaos can dreamwalk or is otherwise telepathic.
3. It's not in one guy's head, it's passed from head to head as time passes...which could "explain" the art shifts.
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Re: (ISG) The Warrens of Oric the Awesome: Let's Get Al Back
« Reply #5534 on: June 04, 2013, 10:28:41 pm »

Everyone in the Warrens is destined to lose Soul Charge right? Turning them into an (w)Illborn.

What if the only reason Al isn't an Illborn is because he kept killing violent Silents(there had to be at least a few that were probably strictly violent-murderspree)
What if we are the only reason he is not an Illborn!

Also, I don't think the Warrens is really a Spaceship; moreover a massive underground system surrounded by a layer of Void(All stuck inside a giant pit). Deep underground facilities which are disconnected from the surface need ways of oxygen exchange too!
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