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FearfulJesuit

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6390 on: April 06, 2014, 02:11:20 pm »

So people put plant in stupid place, can't find worker?

It isn't a stupid place, though, these are well-populated areas. The guy in the article couldn't find people willing to show up to the interviews for a high-paying manufacturing job with good benefits and high wages, and here in Oklahoma they couldn't find people who could do grade-school mathematics, so they had to relocate the factory to Poland. I'm just not sure why people are complaining about a nation-wide unemployment issue when stories like this are the story of the day. I mean, yes, there are economically depressed areas, and there are people who are getting shafted by the labor market, but if you can't convert cups to quarts or do long division, that's your own problem, not the economy's.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6391 on: April 06, 2014, 02:25:11 pm »

Fram the article, he was asking for management positions in a shithole with 1400 inhabitants. In any city's suburbs he'd find people in a heartbeat, but no, cheap land.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6392 on: April 06, 2014, 03:12:50 pm »

It isn't a stupid place, though, these are well-populated areas. The guy in the article couldn't find people willing to show up to the interviews for a high-paying manufacturing job with good benefits and high wages,

No, he found people falling over themselves for the chances he wanted but he was prejudiced and dismissed them out of hand for inane reasons.  This isn't a story of a skills mismatch, it's a story of an incompetent not understanding how to hire people.  Odds are that one of the people he dismissed for superficial reasons would have been better then the candidate he settled on out of desperation.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6393 on: April 06, 2014, 03:31:26 pm »

The cheap land might have been a factor, but I think it was also because it was close to the source of eggs that they chose it. :v
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6394 on: April 06, 2014, 08:54:27 pm »

Spoiler: God bless. (click to show/hide)

This doesn't really have anything to do with anything, but I felt it belonged here. Murrica.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6395 on: April 06, 2014, 09:03:51 pm »

I don't know why you're posting it here, the billboard clearly says the offer is to be redeemed in Stuttgart.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6396 on: April 06, 2014, 09:09:15 pm »

That happens to be a really scammy offer anyway. Benelli's a high-end brand, but they still tend to be cheaper than diamonds.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6397 on: April 06, 2014, 09:40:37 pm »

I always figured those were more of a "If you're gonna be buying a diamond ANYWAY, might as well come to US instead of the other guy, and get a shotgun on top of it!" advertisement, rather than a "Hey, you know what you need? A diamond. And to go with your new diamond, we'll even give you a shotgun!"

... Still fuckin' weird, though.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6398 on: April 06, 2014, 09:54:23 pm »

The way I figure their logic is, if you're gonna make a present for your significant other, might as well make yourself happy while you're at it.


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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6399 on: April 06, 2014, 11:02:42 pm »

It isn't a stupid place, though, these are well-populated areas. The guy in the article couldn't find people willing to show up to the interviews for a high-paying manufacturing job with good benefits and high wages, and here in Oklahoma they couldn't find people who could do grade-school mathematics, so they had to relocate the factory to Poland. I'm just not sure why people are complaining about a nation-wide unemployment issue when stories like this are the story of the day. I mean, yes, there are economically depressed areas, and there are people who are getting shafted by the labor market, but if you can't convert cups to quarts or do long division, that's your own problem, not the economy's.

Sorry, but that's bullshit. Having been on the hiring end of this, there is no shortage of employees, there's only a complete unwillingness on the part of employers to actually contribute to a skilled economy. They will not train employees, they have automated all of their previous introductory positions, they move around so much that no one can safely invest in developing the skillset they need because the opportunity will be gone by the time they acquire the skills. They value pointless degrees and certificates over reliable workers, and reject out of hand those who do completely qualify for the position simply because they are missing one of the many " technical requirements" that they'll pick up in a matter of days or weeks actually working the job.

When you're facing these sorts of problems, there's two things you can do:
Man up, and work on your company fundamentals and make some investments in the future of your work force.
Move to some place with enough of a critical mass in your industry that people will train themselves because they know the jobs will be available.

The US doesn't have a lot of the second anymore - corporate mobility, offshoring and automation not only destroyed the paths to that sort of knowledge economy, but completely disincentive people making their own.

Take the guy in the article:
He's looking for exerience, but paying in peanuts. He's tossing people out left and right in the pre-screen, for being too old, for working in the wrong industry, and not considering them for any of his other positions, but just outright tossing them. Then the ones he chooses... He's getting multiple no shows - in my mind, that's a warning sign on the employer's part. People no-show when they think you're dicking around with them, for whatever reason. He finally offers the top job to someone who was applying for a different job and who, from the way he acted up to that point, wouldn't have even considered if she had applied for it.

He has a very specific idea of who he's looking for and what he wants, but what he wants is the same thing everyone else wants, and he wants a different company to have done all the work of making these people, and he's offering salaries that just aren't competitive for the sort of people he's targeting.

You know how you get both an employee and employment shortage at the same time?
Eliminate and automate all the jobs where people can acquire experience without requiring experience, and being unwilling to invest in any alternative routes to success and unwilling to compete for the few who you might be willing to hire.

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6400 on: April 06, 2014, 11:05:19 pm »

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6401 on: April 06, 2014, 11:15:01 pm »

The sad thing is, the irony is probably lost on those commenters.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6402 on: April 06, 2014, 11:32:33 pm »

God damn modern tween plebeians, try picking up a real work like 1984 (it's obscure, but hey, why not go all the way) instead of spending hours listening to trashy rap lyrics and celebrity romance. Maybe then we'd have more modern and sophisticated gentlemen instead of thugs.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6403 on: April 06, 2014, 11:58:52 pm »

And let's bring back the fedora while we're at it!

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6404 on: April 07, 2014, 12:02:27 am »

Might as well make the internet a bit friendlier for the m'ladies while we're at it.
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