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Bay12 Presidential Focus Polling 2016

Ted Cruz
- 7 (6.5%)
Rick Santorum
- 16 (14.8%)
Michelle Bachmann
- 13 (12%)
Chris Christie
- 23 (21.3%)
Rand Paul
- 49 (45.4%)

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Loud Whispers

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6480 on: April 11, 2014, 04:46:17 pm »

Almost always.
So you can't see the difference between sending about half a dozen guys to claim the cattle versus laying siege to the ranch, deploying $3M of hardware on protestors and the ranchers?

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6481 on: April 11, 2014, 04:56:58 pm »

PICK UP THAT COW CITIZEN
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6482 on: April 11, 2014, 05:24:20 pm »

The only things the BLM actually care about in this situation are power and corporate bribery. They don't have the funding to actually do anything with it, and it's questionable whether they actually own it in the first place.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6483 on: April 12, 2014, 12:21:56 am »

John Paul Stevens wants to change the Second Amendment. It'll never fly, of course (unlike the fleet of black helicopters that would doubtless enforce it and send real patriots to FEMA concentration camps).
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Loud Whispers

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6484 on: April 12, 2014, 05:29:41 am »

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6485 on: April 12, 2014, 06:07:21 am »

John Paul Stevens wants to change the Second Amendment. It'll never fly, of course (unlike the fleet of black helicopters that would doubtless enforce it and send real patriots to FEMA concentration camps).
The full list of his proposed amendments is interesting;
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1) The “Anti-Commandeering Rule” (Amend the Supremacy Clause of Article VI) This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges and other public officials. in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
2) Political Gerrymandering – Districts represented by members of Congress, or by members of any state legislative body, shall be compact and composed of contiguous territory. The state shall have the burden of justifying any departures from this requirement by reference to neutral criteria such as natural, political, or historical boundaries or demographic changes. The interest in enhancing or preserving the political power of the party in control of the state government is not such a neutral criterion.
3) Campaign Finance – Neither the First Amendment nor any other provision of this Constitution shall be construed to prohibit the Congress or any state from imposing reasonable limits on the amount of money that candidates for public office, or their supporters, may spend in election campaigns.
4) Sovereign Immunity – Neither the Tenth Amendment, the Eleventh Amendment, nor any other provision of this Constitution, shall be construed to provide any state, state agency, or state officer with an immunity from liability for violating any act of Congress, or any provision of this Constitution.
5) Death Penalty- (Amend the 8th Amendment) Excessive Bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments such as the death penalty inflicted.
6) The Second Amendment – (Amend the 2nd Amendment) A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.
Some more detail on four of them.

EDIT: And on a far lighter note, any crack fic writers need a concept going into the next presidential election cycle?
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6486 on: April 12, 2014, 08:25:24 am »

I'm not worried about 5) in the long term; I don't think the death penalty is going to survive for more than another couple of decades. (This is for the same reason that I'm not worried about whether or not legislative candidates support same-sex marriage, although almost all the halfway decent ones do; the courts will make it the law of the land long before every state legislature signs on). The others are good proposals, though, I think.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6487 on: April 12, 2014, 08:30:45 am »

Might be a bit faster than that.

Also, Pew released a rather large report on demographics and trends called The Next America. It's very interesting. In particular, I've got to love how much unfounded trust people have in Social Security, at least the Millennials see the writing on the wall. It's a dead, damned program that needs to be gutted before it does all the harm it is clearly projected to do.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6488 on: April 12, 2014, 10:36:03 am »

... yeah. How do you propose to gut it without leaving a significant portion of our elderly either on the streets or further below the poverty line than they already are? There's... considerably more SS does, than that, but that's what you're going to have to solve if you want to "gut" the program before it does more harm.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6489 on: April 12, 2014, 11:26:51 am »

I'm still a fan of basic income, which the elderly (and below-basic-needs poor) would qualify for~

Though I'm not sure if only the elderly who are below basic-needs should qualify, or all of them. Basic idea of basic-income is to keep you from starving/freezing (Canada, remember), but you'd work to get anything more than "rice and a roof" style living. (I'd prefer to be able to give everyone a LIVING wage, but baby-steps. We'll get to a work-less future eventually!~)

Problem with the elderly in that regard is that they... PROBABLY aren't going to be working to get anything more, eh? And unless they've some investments from their work-life, it'd be a shitty way to end your life, rice-and-a-roof style...
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6490 on: April 12, 2014, 12:16:43 pm »

The problem is that as lifespan increases, there will be ever more of them. Living for longer. Being ever frailer. It's not like poverty: you can't lift them out of their conditions.

Unless we get that age reversal thing I keep hearing about going, we have to deal with an underclass of dependents either way.

Also, out of curiosity, what does Bay12 think about the US barring the Iranian Diplomat to the UN? It's unprecedented to bar UN diplomats, but the reason is that he's a member of the group that took the American Diplomats hostage back in 1979.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6491 on: April 12, 2014, 12:55:34 pm »

Well, it'll probably end up as a stalemate thingy with neither side willing to give in, but I don't see it derailing the Geneva agreement or anything.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6492 on: April 12, 2014, 01:19:45 pm »

... yeah. How do you propose to gut it without leaving a significant portion of our elderly either on the streets or further below the poverty line than they already are? There's... considerably more SS does, than that, but that's what you're going to have to solve if you want to "gut" the program before it does more harm.
Something that doesn't involve the inherently untenable growth logic that SS operates under. The way the elderly will be out on the streets is if we don't replace it, since it'll fail sooner rather than later. That or sucking unacceptable amounts of money from the young to prop up the old, which I think anyone can see the economic problem with.

Basic income is one solution, yes. I don't have all the answers on this one, but I know we can't keep going as it is. The system is already disrupted, and when we reach the critical point, whenever that will be, the consequences could be enormous. I mean, you realize that nobody under the age of 40 has any realistic chance of ever retiring under the program as it exists, right? And people who are my age? Just throwing money into the fire.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6493 on: April 12, 2014, 01:47:47 pm »

The problem is gutting SS in any way, shape or form is abhorrent to both parties; Democrats because of the general resistance to cutting social programs, Republicans because they are predominantly old, and pissing off the base in that way would be tantamount to suicide. Remember when Bush tried to privatize it? Complete non-starter, despite a large campaign by him.

I mean the politician to try it would need FDR levels of support. Or be like Obama and pull something big in the first two years after a wave.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6494 on: April 12, 2014, 01:50:50 pm »

Wait, why do people want to cut Social Security, instead of just funding it properly?
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