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Bay12 Presidential Focus Polling 2016

Ted Cruz
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Rick Santorum
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Michelle Bachmann
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Chris Christie
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Rand Paul
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6525 on: April 13, 2014, 08:24:32 pm »

I leave for a few days and people start posting crap about social security being a basket case.



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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6526 on: April 13, 2014, 11:44:27 pm »

Because it can't be funded properly so long as it relies upon contributions from the workers to the retired. And given how large a portion of the budget it makes up, we can't just use more taxes to fund it.

Why not? We'd only have to add enough taxes to make up the difference, not to fund the whole thing anew. Tax rates are incredibly low right now, the lowest they've basically been in a hundred years, there's plenty we could do to pull in more money if we decide we need to.

In fact, keeping SS solvent is probably one of the few things that would be politically feasible as a reason to raise taxes, something the government should be doing anyway, so in my mind everything about SS (it's effects, it's funding, it's future political ramifications) is a good thing. Why would we want to argue that we should get rid of it and let the old folks rot? What does that accomplish, exactly?
You don't really get it, do you? I'll admit I'm not a fan of the retired population, but that's not what this is about. SS is going to collapse. Period. We can either replace it before the problem spirals out of control, or we can let it spiral out of control, but we most certainly can't keep it. The math fails on a basic level. There cannot be a lower population of contributors than beneficiaries.

No, it's not going to collapse, period. This is just BS misinformation and lies spread by people who want to kill it for political reasons. Social security actually currently shows a slight surplus and is expected to continue to show a surplus till 2021. In 2021 payouts are expected to exceed income - but even if *nothing* is done it will be able to make full payouts till at least 2033 and continue to make 3/4 payouts indefinitely. Now, cutting payments to 3/4 is far from ideal, but it's hardly "collapsing" and 3/4ths is a lot more then "never getting SS payments".

Meanwhile, there are things we could do such as raising the wage limits for example, that would let them make full payments indefinitely, or even just allow more immigration to increase the workforce.

Fun fact: The biggest single cause of the shortfall, contributing 43% is not falling birth rates, or people living longer, but rather the rising income inequality in the US.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6527 on: April 14, 2014, 11:18:04 am »

You know how I'm opposed to all these laws that are overbearing on the populace for the sake of anti-terrurism, but this one has me conflicted.

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On the one hand, I'm morally opposed, on the other hand it causes the arrests of attention seeking brats. I think the fact that it's enjoyable just makes it even more immoral.

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6528 on: April 14, 2014, 11:24:33 am »

And this is why Twitter is stupid.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6529 on: April 14, 2014, 11:28:26 am »

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6530 on: April 14, 2014, 11:29:11 am »

The chronology of those posts was a little confusing... Just straight down, right?
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6531 on: April 14, 2014, 11:39:47 am »

You don't shout fire in a crowded theatre.

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6532 on: April 14, 2014, 12:20:41 pm »

You don't shout fire in a crowded theatre.
I'll keep that in mind the next time I see a fire. Not like I had any intention of doing it in the first place.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6533 on: April 14, 2014, 12:38:33 pm »

You don't shout fire in a crowded theatre.
I'll keep that in mind the next time I see a fire. Not like I had any intention of doing it in the first place.
But then it'd be a burning crowded theatre. Different scenario altogether.

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6535 on: April 14, 2014, 01:34:43 pm »

How appropriate, that's me in a nutshell.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6536 on: April 14, 2014, 02:01:42 pm »

Although, the original wording was, in fact, "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic."
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6537 on: April 14, 2014, 02:16:15 pm »

Although, the original wording was, in fact, "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic."

What you should have said was: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6538 on: April 14, 2014, 03:00:35 pm »

Although, the original wording was, in fact, "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic."

What you should have said was: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6539 on: April 14, 2014, 03:12:56 pm »

Shit just got meta, yo.

I presume you are in this thread to try and undermine the US through our webforums?
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