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Bay12 Presidential Focus Polling 2016

Ted Cruz
- 7 (6.5%)
Rick Santorum
- 16 (14.8%)
Michelle Bachmann
- 13 (12%)
Chris Christie
- 23 (21.3%)
Rand Paul
- 49 (45.4%)

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TheDarkStar

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6555 on: April 23, 2014, 10:07:03 pm »

A much more worrying issue, to be honest, is the re-segregation of grade schools that have been happening at an alarming rate.

In the South, part of the issue is that blacks (African-Americans if that's offensive in your region) tend to be poorer than whites, largely due to ancestry and racism, so you see schools segregated based on how much it costs to get into them, with blacks/African-Americans being forced to go to the cheaper ones because of how much money they have.

I don't have a good idea of how it is elsewhere, since (especially in the North and Northwest areas) there are almost entirely white people and Native Americans, and then a very small amount of other ethnicities.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6556 on: April 23, 2014, 10:16:11 pm »

At the grade school level, this often dovetails with "natural" segregation on economic lines such as what TheDarkStar is referencing. That's why Wake County, NC (where I live) made national news a couple of years ago when its GOP-dominated school board voted to end busing and rezone schools based purely on geographic locality. Which makes perfect sense if the population were evenly distributed. It's cheaper, the schools are more tied to the local communities, etc. This also makes it easy to argue for, even if you're dogwhistling in favor of resegregation. It also inflames the debate because there are parents and advocates who genuinely ARE pushing for it with good intent and are then taken aback to be called racists.

The problem is that you have rich, white parts of town, and poor, black parts of town. Guess which parts of town are going to have better schools and more children who are well-prepared when they enter school? NC attempted to head some of that disparity off with Head Start, a pre-K program for poor and minority families to get their children up to readiness for kindergarten. Of course, the GOP legislature has all but gutted that in the last couple of years. *sigh*
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6557 on: April 23, 2014, 10:29:29 pm »

A much more worrying issue, to be honest, is the re-segregation of grade schools that have been happening at an alarming rate.

In the South, part of the issue is that blacks (African-Americans if that's offensive in your region) tend to be poorer than whites, largely due to ancestry and racism, so you see schools segregated based on how much it costs to get into them, with blacks/African-Americans being forced to go to the cheaper ones because of how much money they have.

I don't have a good idea of how it is elsewhere, since (especially in the North and Northwest areas) there are almost entirely white people and Native Americans, and then a very small amount of other ethnicities.
Hmm? Did I just hear few ethnicities? I can't speak for Maine and Vermont (they're the whitest states you know), but here in NYC white people actually aren't even the majority anymore, merely a 44% plurality. Same thing though...
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6558 on: April 23, 2014, 10:30:35 pm »

So they're getting rid of affirmative action in prisons too, right?
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6559 on: April 24, 2014, 03:39:20 am »

I'm actually split about affirmative actions. I used to oppose it, but then I read that book by Esther Dufflo about a study she did in India, where reserving a third of the village chiefs seats for women had very positive results (basically, those village that had been forced to have a woman chief were more likely to elect a woman afterward).

Now I'm in favor of it, on the condition that it's limited in time, and monitored for effectiveness in ending prejudice.

Now, as for affirmative action in college, it seems racial affirmative actions isn't the best way to do it. IIRC, Texas managed to keep minorities in college through a program offering place for the top 10% students of each high school (so poor black attending poor schools can get in too). This seems much better to me, as in addition to racial segregation you also have a lot of income segregation in the State, and this is a way to kill two birds with one stone.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6560 on: April 24, 2014, 06:08:06 am »

If the problem is an economic one, the obvious solution appears to be to switch to European-style school financing - not finance the local school via local taxes, but all the schools via all the taxes taxes from everyone.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6561 on: April 24, 2014, 06:10:55 am »

Now, as for affirmative action in college, it seems racial affirmative actions isn't the best way to do it. IIRC, Texas managed to keep minorities in college through a program offering place for the top 10% students of each high school (so poor black attending poor schools can get in too). This seems much better to me, as in addition to racial segregation you also have a lot of income segregation in the State, and this is a way to kill two birds with one stone.

Yeah and that would have been a better system, but that's not the system we are getting.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6562 on: April 24, 2014, 06:49:26 am »

Thread: 'Supreme Court upholds Michigan affirmative action ban'
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The Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld a Michigan law banning the use of racial criteria in college admissions, a key decision in an unfolding legal and political battle nationally over affirmative action.

The justices found 6-2 that a lower court did not have the authority to set aside the measure approved in a 2006 referendum supported by 58% of voters.

It bars publicly funded colleges from granting "preferential treatment to any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin."

Justice Sonia Sotomayor reacted sharply in disagreeing with the decision.

Pick your poison:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/22/justice/scotus-michigan-affirmative-action/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/22/supreme-court-upholds-michigan-affirmative-action-ban/
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/23/michigan-affirmativeaction.html

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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6563 on: April 24, 2014, 06:54:27 am »

Now, as for affirmative action in college, it seems racial affirmative actions isn't the best way to do it. IIRC, Texas managed to keep minorities in college through a program offering place for the top 10% students of each high school (so poor black attending poor schools can get in too). This seems much better to me, as in addition to racial segregation you also have a lot of income segregation in the State, and this is a way to kill two birds with one stone.

Yeah and that would have been a better system, but that's not the system we are getting.

But my understanding was that recent rulings recognized that university have an interest in maintaining diversity, but that they have to do it in the least discriminatory manner possible. So even if universities are banned from doing racial discrimination, they could easily enforce income discrimination to get around it.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6564 on: April 24, 2014, 07:52:43 am »

Georgia signs new concealed carry law that would allow guns into schools, churches, airports, bars, and government buildings. (But not the Capitol, of course. Wouldn't want some crazy guy to shoot those fine Georgia legislators who passed this...)


Not that I needed much impetus, but consider Georgia added to my "don't set foot in" list.
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« Reply #6565 on: April 24, 2014, 08:00:02 am »

I don't really see the problem. I can't think of any mass shootings that have been perpetrated by someone using their CC handgun, maybe I'm wrong.

The worst shootings always happen in gun-free zones anyway. The pattern is that a gun-free zone like an airport, bar, church or school is created, then a fruitcake decides to buy an AR-15 or shotgun, drives up to the place, gets out of his car, illegally enters the gun-free zone while open carrying (he isn't worried about breaking the law, is he?) and kills everyone then himself. I don't see how retaining the restrictive laws that were previously there would change things. Then again I don't see how this law will change things, unless teachers are able to CC themselves or something. There's been so little research into that that I don't know if it would help.
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Re: Emperor Norton's Imperial Politics Megathread
« Reply #6566 on: April 24, 2014, 08:04:38 am »

Letting people take guns in bar seems like a stupid idea though...
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« Reply #6567 on: April 24, 2014, 08:07:39 am »

Letting people take guns in bar seems like a stupid idea though...

If someone is going to go in there and rob the place or commit a crime, they probably won't care about the sign outside the door saying "no guns allowed". That said, this law wouldn't make dealing with bar fights any easier.
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« Reply #6568 on: April 24, 2014, 08:09:10 am »

Letting people take guns in bar seems like a stupid idea though...

Well, this is letting people take guns specifically into bars that allow them to. Bars can still ban people from taking guns inside, and I've been to bars (well, clubs anyway) that do pat downs or at least spot checks for exactly that.
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« Reply #6569 on: April 24, 2014, 08:13:09 am »

I'd quite like to visit Georgia I think. Just to confuse everyone with my simultaneous overtly Leftist/Socialist tendencies, atheism and my support for gun rights and loathing of Liberals... and possibly a desire for them to secede from the Union.
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