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Bay12 Presidential Focus Polling 2016

Ted Cruz
- 7 (6.5%)
Rick Santorum
- 16 (14.8%)
Michelle Bachmann
- 13 (12%)
Chris Christie
- 23 (21.3%)
Rand Paul
- 49 (45.4%)

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Re: Richard Nixon's Sane Conservatism Nostalgia Megathread
« Reply #8385 on: August 27, 2014, 02:49:28 pm »

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Re: Richard Nixon's Sane Conservatism Nostalgia Megathread
« Reply #8386 on: August 27, 2014, 02:50:44 pm »

You're really going to sit on hard evidence for this one? Really? Let's try the name of the establishment.
It doesn't really matter all that much. If not this instance, one can still easily imagine going out to do this sort of thing as a learning experience, not for "fun."

But yes, the name is a clue, not a guarantee. For instance, in my local area, there is only ONE single gun range within about a 2 hour drive of my apartment, I believe. If your choice is bullets and burgers versus driving hours and hours further, even a serious family not in it for fun at all might very well go there.

Now, if there's a place right across the street called "Jim's serious and responsible gun training range" or something, then alright then.
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Re: Richard Nixon's Sane Conservatism Nostalgia Megathread
« Reply #8387 on: August 27, 2014, 02:51:05 pm »

Please stop. You're just trolling at this point dude. Devils advocate turns to trolling when you keep going on and on like this.

Wrap up what your point is supposed to be besides exactly what we're saying, which is more regulation is needed
« Last Edit: August 27, 2014, 02:52:38 pm by Mictlantecuhtli »
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Re: Richard Nixon's Sane Conservatism Nostalgia Megathread
« Reply #8388 on: August 27, 2014, 02:53:37 pm »

Don't tell me people hunt in your area with fully automatic submachine-guns. I still want to have some hope for humanity.

I never said that. The norm here is .22LR or .30-06 bolt/lever action rifles, or 20 or 12 gauge shotguns. Just like everywhere else, I assume. Some people use "military style" rifles like the civilian AR-15 too, but the above are far more common and almost nobody only owns such a thing.
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Re: Richard Nixon's Sane Conservatism Nostalgia Megathread
« Reply #8389 on: August 27, 2014, 02:55:01 pm »

If you can't find a serious gun range within walking distance, you're not in Arizona.
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Re: Richard Nixon's Sane Conservatism Nostalgia Megathread
« Reply #8390 on: August 27, 2014, 02:55:51 pm »

You're really going to sit on hard evidence for this one? Really? Let's try the name of the establishment.
It doesn't really matter all that much. If not this instance, one can still easily imagine going out to do this sort of thing as a learning experience, not for "fun."

But yes, the name is a clue, not a guarantee. For instance, in my local area, there is only ONE single gun range within about a 2 hour drive of my apartment, I believe. If your choice is bullets and burgers versus driving hours and hours further, even a serious family not in it for fun at all might very well go there.

Now, if there's a place right across the street called "Jim's serious and responsible gun training range" or something, then alright then.
A quick Google search shows no less 18 firing ranges in the nearby area, including one named "Safety First Lifestyle and Firearm Training". But that's not nearly as fun as firing "the Scar" (one of the new guns they were touting on their FB page three days ago).

These fucking dirtbags are getting ripped apart on FB/Twitter/etc, and rightfully so.

EDIT: Also, this is from their TripAdvisor page:
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"We are unique from other gun ranges because we shoot on fully automatic unlike the indoor ranges where they only allow you to shoot in short spurts."

There. If you want to retain any credibility as a "sensible" gun advocate, you'll stop defending these guys.
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Re: Richard Nixon's Sane Conservatism Nostalgia Megathread
« Reply #8391 on: August 27, 2014, 02:56:42 pm »

I never said that. The norm here is .22LR or .30-06 bolt/lever action rifles, or 20 or 12 gauge shotguns. Just like everywhere else, I assume. Some people use "military style" rifles like the civilian AR-15 too, but the above are far more common and almost nobody only owns such a thing.

"If you need to reload while hunting then you're not a hunter" are words a very wise very good shot of a ranger told me. Only applicable to non-bolts, of course. Unless you reload more than twice. I don't like to fire my bolt actions anymore, they're too pretty.
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Re: Richard Nixon's Sane Conservatism Nostalgia Megathread
« Reply #8392 on: August 27, 2014, 02:57:25 pm »

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The sheer idiocy of trying to integrate fully automatic weapons into family fun time
I'm not seeing where you are getting the consistent assumption that this is "fun time." As opposed to just learning time.
Most people wouldn't consider school to be "fun." Can be both, but not usually.

It COULD have been family fun time, for all I know, but do you actually know that from an article or something?

You're really going to sit on hard evidence for this one? Really? Let's try the name of the establishment.

What's their employment application look like?

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Must have a Level III Food Handlers permit and be able to handle 1000 Rounds of Ammunition a minute.

I take it you're being sarcastic?

Yes more regulation is needed, but the NRA has too much political power over the lobbies and politicians can't seem to decide on anything that would actually work.
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« Reply #8393 on: August 27, 2014, 02:59:31 pm »

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Wrap up what your point is supposed to be besides exactly what we're saying, which is more regulation is needed
That's 0% my point, and in fact nobody has even mentioned regulation in the entire discussion so far that I can see...  ??

The overall point is simply that introducing children to even high powered weapons MIGHT be perfectly logical for certain reasons and circumstances, and that the only necessarily obvious fault here in this situation is people going about doing things like morons. Whether by choosing the wrong weapons very specifically and/or the wrong range.  But firing even something with too much recoil like a shotgun, at a responsible range taking measures to stop it from flying out of grip, even for a 9 year old, there are potential arguments for.
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Re: Richard Nixon's Sane Conservatism Nostalgia Megathread
« Reply #8394 on: August 27, 2014, 03:03:32 pm »

I never said that. The norm here is .22LR or .30-06 bolt/lever action rifles, or 20 or 12 gauge shotguns. Just like everywhere else, I assume. Some people use "military style" rifles like the civilian AR-15 too, but the above are far more common and almost nobody only owns such a thing.

"If you need to reload while hunting then you're not a hunter" are words a very wise very good shot of a ranger told me. Only applicable to non-bolts, of course. Unless you reload more than twice. I don't like to fire my bolt actions anymore, they're too pretty.

Heh, a few guys I know have got around that little rule by using a banana clip. It looks absolutely ridiculous 9 times out of 10, but I won't deny it's convenient on a range.
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Re: Richard Nixon's Sane Conservatism Nostalgia Megathread
« Reply #8395 on: August 27, 2014, 03:07:21 pm »

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Wrap up what your point is supposed to be besides exactly what we're saying, which is more regulation is needed
That's 0% my point, and in fact nobody has even mentioned regulation in the entire discussion so far that I can see...  ??

The overall point is simply that introducing children to even high powered weapons MIGHT be perfectly logical for certain reasons and circumstances, and that the only necessarily obvious fault here in this situation is people going about doing things like morons. Whether by choosing the wrong weapons very specifically and/or the wrong range.  But firing even something with too much recoil like a shotgun, at a responsible range taking measures to stop it from flying out of grip, even for a 9 year old, there are potential arguments for.

This is why we're never get to get serious about firearms in this country. Because there is ALWAYS an excuse.
"Oh, they just did it wrong."
"Oh, that gun was stolen."
"Oh, if only the other people had been armed."
"Oh, this was a determined madman, and you couldn't have stopped him anyways."
"Oh, this was just an isolated tragedy."

Never an inkling of a hint of an admission that maybe, JUST MAYBE, we have a societal problem with gun fetishism and availability. Admitting you have a problem is the first step, and there's a vocal minority for whom there is NEVER a problem.
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Re: Richard Nixon's Sane Conservatism Nostalgia Megathread
« Reply #8396 on: August 27, 2014, 03:20:04 pm »

"I don't have a gun addiction! I can quit anytime! You're not my mother SO LEAVE ME ALONE!"
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« Reply #8397 on: August 27, 2014, 03:23:35 pm »

Just found this a little further down their FB page:

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This is your lucky day!!! Philip shooting the one and only .50 cal Barrett Sniper Rifle!!!! You can skip the hardcore military training and come shoot the Barrett at Bullets & Burgers!!! No need for gun skills here...just fire at will and have a Blast!!!!

So, yeah. Can we please skip the notion that these guys in any way, shape or form deserved to be in business? I really hope the NRA decides to go to bat for these morons in a knee-jerk reaction, and undercuts their credibility with anyone who still has a half a brain (and hasn't had the other half blown out by a nine-year-old with an Uzi). These guys are the new poster children for America's gun problem (i.e. gun fetishism + lack of responsible training/regulation oversight).
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Re: Richard Nixon's Sane Conservatism Nostalgia Megathread
« Reply #8398 on: August 27, 2014, 03:27:14 pm »

.50 cal as civilian weapon?

seems legit
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Re: Richard Nixon's Sane Conservatism Nostalgia Megathread
« Reply #8399 on: August 27, 2014, 03:30:32 pm »

You're really going to sit on hard evidence for this one? Really? Let's try the name of the establishment.
It doesn't really matter all that much. If not this instance, one can still easily imagine going out to do this sort of thing as a learning experience, not for "fun."

But yes, the name is a clue, not a guarantee. For instance, in my local area, there is only ONE single gun range within about a 2 hour drive of my apartment, I believe. If your choice is bullets and burgers versus driving hours and hours further, even a serious family not in it for fun at all might very well go there.

Now, if there's a place right across the street called "Jim's serious and responsible gun training range" or something, then alright then.

So it's a matter of availability? That's your litmus test?
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