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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1725 on: September 29, 2013, 01:58:46 pm »

With nothing particularly interesting happening in Europe now, have France wrecking child beauty pageants.

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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1726 on: September 29, 2013, 02:04:01 pm »

Europe is full of interesting things but no news agency reports it because it won't bring them much attention, hence it's economically nonviable.

That said, this is true for any sort of news distribution platform above city level and sometimes not even that. Or platforms outside Europe, for the matter.

Reducing people to a sex object is a bad thing in general, and it's a good thing that France's going places. Not exactly the perfect places, but still - it'll be illegal at the least. No stagnation here siree.

e: upon further reading your source may or may not have been processed via the paper's editors to be less biased than i expect it to be at first but the writer appears to have very strong opinions about this and a multitude of other subjects. give me a few moments to examine whenever this is a bad thing, i'll get back to you. i do agree with the article however. nah it seems to be both a strong and reasonable opinion carry on
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1727 on: September 29, 2013, 04:38:40 pm »

the "golden dawn" losing support link tells us they lost 2.5% points. Those kinds of polls usually have a 3% error margin, so 2.5% is a fluke as far as statisticians are concerned.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1728 on: September 29, 2013, 06:22:33 pm »

With nothing particularly interesting happening in Europe now, have France wrecking child beauty pageants.

Go France!

Also. Nothing particularly interesting going on? Did you miss how the Greek police finally got of their asses and arrested a big chunk of the Golden Dawn party, including the leader?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1729 on: September 29, 2013, 06:28:29 pm »

Golden Dawn's position in the Hellenic Parliament isn't their true danger. The true threat they represent are things like the "document-checking operations", where they go around looking for immigrants and minorities without their permits in order and destroy their businesses if they aren't or refuse to cooperate.

I've noticed that specifically seems to be a common thing amongst far-right political groups, actually. The Mongolian Neo-Nazis have been doing almost the exact same thing.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1730 on: September 29, 2013, 07:12:49 pm »

Also. Nothing particularly interesting going on? Did you miss how the Greek police finally got of their asses and arrested a big chunk of the Golden Dawn party, including the leader?
Nikos Michaloliakos got arrested for implied connections to the murder of a left-wing musician from phone records. Also connected to 32 other criminal cases including another murder, violent assault, extortion, blackmail, racketeering and more.
Golden Dawn's second in command is still evading arrest.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1731 on: September 30, 2013, 03:34:13 pm »

Crossposting from NSA thread to avoid derail.

German Renewables suffer from ever increasing costs, as well as actively increasing carbon emmisions.

Basically, renewable production capacity has grown tremendously due to Germany's renewable first policy. (Ie, first all renewable energy is sold, then conventional sources)*. However, investments in energy storage have been minor so far -In fact, green power policy has been actively pushing Energy storage facilities out of the market- so Fossil Fuel plants have to spring in to close the gaps. Due to this on/off policy, said plants are running losses, and producing additional emissions. Several closures are imminent, and traditional energy companies are leaving the country.

Additionally the network infrastructure is not build to sustain this amount of energy transfer, due to a discrepancy between energy producing and energy using regions. As such, massive network investments are needed. In total, the cost are running higher than the Eurozone bailouts, and most often, they hit the poor, who can't afford to take energy saving measures.

*Going as far as meaning that all energy has to be bought, even if there's a surplus. Meaning clients are paying for nothing, and something even paying twice, for nothing.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1732 on: September 30, 2013, 03:43:01 pm »

There's a guy in Nottingham, he made a off-coast wind-farm energy battery. It's basically a huge balloon sunk and held down under the ocean, connected with a hose to a pump operated by the wind farm. It sucks energy down into the balloon, inflating it.

So when you need some energy, you take the balloon, release the air that's held under pressure, and drive a turbine with it.

At least, that's my understanding.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1733 on: September 30, 2013, 03:44:45 pm »

Sounds feasible. Though you can rarely go wrong with a gravity battery.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1734 on: September 30, 2013, 03:47:33 pm »

The problem isn't the technological aspect of the energy storage. The problem is that Germanies energy policy is effectively pushing the storage facilities out of the market. Rather than the traditional cheap at night, expensive at day, energy pricing, the renewable focus causes sudden short spikes, when there's a very high demand, but only for a few hours (Page 2). I mean, the only thing that's keeping several of the energy storage facilities in operation is that they're popular swimming pools. Meanwhile, ancient (1965) coal power plants are being reactivated, in order to maintain grid stability. While there are cleaner and almost twice as efficient natural gas based facilities, these usually run a loss. Coal only survives because it's dirt cheap.

Besides, links to the balloon bags Link. Looks easily damaged to me, actually. Also, only works for offshore energy, which is comparatively small amount of Germanies renewables.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1735 on: September 30, 2013, 03:53:42 pm »

Here in Wales we have a number of pumped storage systems which utilize surplus night time electricity to pump water into suitable sites - there are many such sites, mainly old quarries near lakes. During the day this water is allowed to run back into lakes, helping cope with spikes in demand. Whilst the initial outlay is quite high in terms of installation, they can pay for themselves in a few years thanks to the fact they turn otherwise wasted night time capacity into useful daytime capacity.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1736 on: September 30, 2013, 03:56:46 pm »

Ebbor, were you expecting a single solution to all the problems? If storing off-shore wind energy is solved, that's one problem down. Solve another, great, another problem down.

If there was a one-size-fits-all solution, great, but just because something isn't universal is no reason to hate it. >_>

(plus you could transmit energy through wires out to the ocean and fill the air bags :v)
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1737 on: September 30, 2013, 03:58:30 pm »

Some updates from here.

- A few months ago, the goverment, in a shameless bid to help the electric giant Endesa  (which quite frequently ends up being a golden-retirement-place for politicians from both major parties in Spain), created a new tax which would make using solar cells to sell current to the network more expensive than not using them (and another bill that would apply additional taxes to closed, self-sustaining buildings based on solar power).

Not surprisingly, just as it happened with the blatantly illegal Digital TV financial aid, and with every other major illegal-bullshit-scheme that our crooked political class has thrown together, the EU has intervened, and threatened to impose sanctions for not fulfilling the renewable energy requirements. So apparently our goverment isn't just full of evil crooks, they're also stupid, because anyone could guess this would happen from the moment the special tax hit the news.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1738 on: September 30, 2013, 04:02:18 pm »

If you actually read the article, you will notice that energy storage is discussed.   Pumped storage systems are mentioned several times. Point is, under current energy policy they're actively discouraged, the energy revolution is actively undermining it's own fundations.

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(plus you could transmit energy through wires out to the ocean and fill the air bags :v)
High power lines are already going to cost 20 billion or more. Don"t want to rack that cost up by adding additional costs.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #1739 on: September 30, 2013, 04:03:04 pm »

That's the issue with setting a minimum price: you encourage people to produce as much as possible, without regards to demand. We had a similar case in Wallonia, where solar PV subsidies were so successful at encouraging people to install panels that the government is now saddled with 2.5 billions euros (3,3% of GDP) of obligations to solar panel owners over the next 15 years.

It would have been easier to require utilities to steadily decrease their carbon emissions per MWh and let them decide how best to do this.

As for the bag, just a though, but wouldn't it be easier to use the energy to use power to lower the baloon into the sea and let it rise when you need power? Basically a reversed-gravity battery, cheap and easy to make.
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