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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5865 on: May 25, 2014, 05:29:32 pm »

And even putting belgium aside, which i really shouldn't because israel have had a 25% increase in jewish immigration from it last year due to anti semitic incidents, i was generally speaking about european trends in the votes, mainly in france.
Yeah, we don't know yet what the exact background of the Brussels shooting was, seems like a no-brainer that it was motivated by antisemitism, just remains to be seen whether it was the muslim kind or the classic Neo-Nazi kind of antisemitism.

In Berlin (which has the biggest Jewish community in Germany), there are a rising number of antisemitic incidents as well, and similar to elsewhere in Western Europe, the perpetrators often have an immigrant muslim background.

Some of the right-wing populist parties in Europe are quite vehemently pro-Israel and anti-Muslim, but that is not an universal trend. Marine Le Pen has moved the Front National in that direction too.
Still, in France it seems right-wing antisemites (who are doing well because they're anti-immigrant) seem to get along relatively well with the immigrant antisemites, which is quite baffling sometimes. There are some strange things happening there, like Jean-Marie Le Pen (who would prefer Africans died of Ebola instead coming to Europe as I mentioned earlier) being friends with this guy.

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Election results in Germany:

48% turnout, a 5% rise compared to 2009, helped by having several regional/local elections on the same day in most states.

CDU/CSU 35,1 (-1,7)
SPD 27,3 (+6,5)
Greens 10,6 (-1,5)
FDP 3,4 (-7,6)
The Left 7,4 (-0,1)
AfD 7,0 (+7,0)
other parties 8,8 (-2,6)

Since there was no 5% threshold this time, some of the more obscure parties will get to send one candidate each into parliament, like the Pirates, the Free Voters, several ecologically oriented parties, but also the NPD.

Our local Eurosceptics (the AfD) got in as expected, but didn't do as well as some people predicted. They are relatively moderate and economically oriented compared to other anti-EU parties and stated that they won't cooperate with right-wing populists.
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In France, Front National placed first with 25%, before UMP with 21%, President Hollande's Socialists with 14% and the Greens with 9%.

I guess Front National is doing so well because people are disappointed with the political establishment (a lot of it is a "Fuck You" for Hollande probably) and because integration of huge amounts of Muslim and African immigrants is not working very well there.
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In Austria, FP managed to rise to 20% (+7%), but placed third behind the SP (24%) and VP (28%).


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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5866 on: May 25, 2014, 06:20:09 pm »

UKIP is, so far, +29%!

It's in the lead so far. The Lib Dems aren't doing well at all, though-talk about crash and burn.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5867 on: May 25, 2014, 06:24:02 pm »

So apparently two countries had 90% voter turnout.

* Darvi high-fives Miauw and Sheb because he literally has nothing else to comment on.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5868 on: May 25, 2014, 06:24:51 pm »

The E.U average is at 41% turn out, IIRC.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5869 on: May 25, 2014, 06:25:42 pm »

UKIP is, so far, +29%!

It's in the lead so far. The Lib Dems aren't doing well at all, though-talk about crash and burn.
Yep. Our negotiating power in the EU is going to be completely fucked for the next few years.

Only good thing I see is the BNP being finally kicked out.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5870 on: May 25, 2014, 06:26:16 pm »

43% apparently. Which doesn't seem like much, but still is a 5% improvement.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5871 on: May 25, 2014, 06:31:39 pm »

Ah, well I was off by 2% then :P

Also, Ukip had 10.4%, ahead of the Greens on 8.1% and the LibDems on 7.1%, in Scotland so far, though the SNP blew 'em out of the water at 28.9%
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5872 on: May 25, 2014, 06:33:28 pm »

Seems like suddenly everyone is nationalists.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5873 on: May 25, 2014, 06:35:26 pm »

I'm a Unionist to the bone, where it benefits all sides. Europe just doesn't come up to scratch. It went the wrong road when it tried to become a political power.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5874 on: May 25, 2014, 06:38:59 pm »

They just didn't go far enough. A true political union, now that would be something you could compare.
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« Reply #5875 on: May 25, 2014, 06:43:51 pm »

Perhaps. As it isn't, I don't :P

The original idea was good, as many such ideas are, but it's just lost its way. It can either be changed, or left...and it seems to resist change.
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« Reply #5876 on: May 25, 2014, 06:45:50 pm »

I would say the EU is changing. Just... very slowly. And probably not in the direction you want it to be either.
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« Reply #5877 on: May 25, 2014, 07:07:03 pm »

The original idea was good, as many such ideas are, but it's just lost its way. It can either be changed, or left...and it seems to resist change.

Has there been an honest attempt at reform?

I mean, in the UK the debate is solely about in or out. There is never any discussion of what we actually want our MEPs and other representatives within the Union to actually do.

And now our biggest group of representatives have no manifesto at all and a track record of not showing up. It's a protest vote that is likely to throw away a third or more of our influence within the European Parliament, making reform even less likely (or at least less likely to be in favour of the UK).

For the record, a cursory glance at the top ten here suggest that all of them that the results are in for have been kicked out. That includes the ex-UKIP MEP Marta Andreasen, who was a whistle-blower over the state of EU accounting, then resigned UKIP after blasting Farage as a sexist Stalinist.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #5878 on: May 25, 2014, 07:27:43 pm »

As Owlbread would rather leave the United Kingdom, because reform led by them is unlikely to say the least, so I would rather leave the E.U.

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« Reply #5879 on: May 25, 2014, 07:38:27 pm »

Hearing grumblings that the UKIP is only doing well because the turnout is so dismal, anything to back it up?
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