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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13845 on: January 08, 2015, 05:23:51 pm »

So... They may not be as well organised at they first seemed?
It appears - from the way they did the shooting - that they had some sort of military training. (They fired single, aimed shots instead of wildly firing rounds like someone who can't handle automatic weapons.) They might have gotten that training in the Middle East or even in France. That doesn't necesarily mean that they are directly connected to some larger organisation or that they have any real guerilla training or anything. They also left lots of molotov cocktails and banners with messages in Arabic in their car, so maybe they didn't have that much of a plan for after the killing.
One of them was condemned for being part of a cell sending people in Irak, the day before he was meant to go to Syria. Not to say the current action is organized by a bigger organization, but they definitely know people (as in, other terrorists). Don't know if they ever went to the Middle East, though.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13846 on: January 08, 2015, 11:09:16 pm »

The producers isn't making fun of the holocaust, it's making fun of how people react to the holocaust.
Making fun of the holocaust might be depicting all the Nazi's as clowns spraying water in the face of people over 1940's Europe, what the producers does is dress modern clowns as Nazi's and have them spray water on the contemporary audience. I feel theres a significant difference as one makes light of the actual suffering of people at the hands of murderers whereas the other makes light of our own society, and the way in which we treat history. Of course people who are seriously emotionally invested in the subject would be greatly offended by either depiction and it would obviously be inflammatory to these groups.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13847 on: January 08, 2015, 11:32:48 pm »

It could serve the same purpose as the "piss christ", pronographic movie about politicians and other offense agaist respected things : nothing is so sacred that it's a crime to tarnish it.

I think the same pf flags by the way. Forbidding the burning of the countrie's own flag is an idiocy.
Okay, so making a movie which portrays the Holocaust as something fun and laugh-worthy is totally allowed under that ideology, right?

...and Rawanda, and 9/11, and child molesters, yes.

Nothing is off the table.

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Also serial killers, hurricane katrina, hurricane sandy, the republican party, guantanamo bay, mkultra, the tet offensive, slavery, the chicago fire, the antebellum south, stalin's purges, mao's purges, tiennamen square, rapists, the patriot act, sweatshops, child labor, endangered species, and dead babies.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13848 on: January 09, 2015, 12:06:05 am »

There's so much edginess in this thread I think I'm bleeding.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13849 on: January 09, 2015, 01:17:35 am »

There's so much edginess in this thread I think I'm bleeding.

Pretty much this.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13850 on: January 09, 2015, 01:53:22 am »

everything, all's to be laughed at --hachi, 2010

therefore y'all are scrubs for not handling the edge

probably some nincompoops who didn't go to high school and experience the joys of people listening to linkin park the lot
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13851 on: January 09, 2015, 01:56:37 am »

You can make fun of anything you want, but you also have to expect people are gonna... not like it. :v You don't have to respect what they think needs to be respected, but they don't need to respect you either by the same coin.

Of course, shooting you for it is... unacceptable in the extreme.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13852 on: January 09, 2015, 03:35:25 am »

Hey, I'm all for making fun out of inappropriate-for-making-fun-of topics.

There just a difference between Monthy Python making a nazi joke and some random totally-not-racist bloke making a nazi "joke".

I mean, bad humor can get you killed.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13853 on: January 09, 2015, 03:44:45 am »

So, apparently, they would be in Dammartin-en-Goële, and they have taken hostages. Not much more info (isn't even confirmed it's the Kouachi brothers, but it's likely).
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13854 on: January 09, 2015, 05:04:03 am »

There are the RAID, GIGN and BRI, plus the army and police for security, and the Brigade de Recherche Criminelle (specialists for emergency criminal search) who have been investigating, it's the first time that they send pretty much everyone.

There is one reported hostage, the GIGN is contacting the suspects.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13855 on: January 09, 2015, 05:30:34 am »

According to BBC's live coverage, contact with suspects have been made, they confirmed they have taken 1 person hostage and that they "plan to die through martyrdom".

 :-\

So the current story is like this::
It's been reported yesterday already that they robbed a petrol station and stole some fuel.
Today in the morning they broke the cover from wherever they were hiding (apparently it's a woodland area where they were located), stole another car and sped back towards Paris, a freking car chase ensued, were involved into a gunfight and finally cornered into a printing press building.


One thing I find interesting is despite their claim to die as martyrs, they are still alive. Either they are planning something truly nefarious for their last stand, or they are not serious and only just really desperate at this point.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13856 on: January 09, 2015, 06:22:45 am »

Since they're professional soldiers, chances are their job at this point involves tanking everybody's attention onto themselves for someone else (the other members of their terrorist cell) to go hit some other target.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13857 on: January 09, 2015, 06:27:43 am »

Since they're professional soldiers, chances are their job at this point involves tanking everybody's attention onto themselves for someone else (the other members of their terrorist cell) to go hit some other target.

It's too late to hit a target, the strategy would be to bomb a public place first then move to your second target. The landmarks are so full of military now you'd go there to feel safe.

And honestly, they are trained for terrorism for sure but I start to question their intelligence. They might even have gone for the newspaper by themselves without orders to do so.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13858 on: January 09, 2015, 06:33:54 am »

Dunno, Sergarr's suggestion, while horrible, sounds plausible. If we talk about the possibility of those two being members of a larger, well organized cell that organized the massacre with sole purpose of trying to draw attention from the real target. I mean, it is theoretically possible... but I'd agree that at this point, any such attack would face a heavily prepared armed force.

And yeah, I think them being just really well prepared/armed rather than a part of bigger cell and doing this attack on their own initiative is bigger possibility, but we'll see.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #13859 on: January 09, 2015, 06:53:33 am »

Why do many people here have such a boner for total freedom of expression? Some limits simply are sensible.
I like the German legislation on the subject: We have a crime called Volksverhetzung - getting the masses to hound a group, roughly.
I do not think this law would apply to Charlie Hebdo, but it does impose a reasonable limit on free expression: It's only okay as long as it does not disturb the peace by attacking others without reason.
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