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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #14100 on: January 10, 2015, 06:23:49 pm »

No, what i am saying is that you are fear mongering and that the chances of something serious happening to Muslims/Arabs is far less likely than something serious happening to Jews or Policemen. i would be far more scared being a Jew or a police officer in France right now than being a Muslim Arab, that's for sure.

actually, you are fear mongering as well.

What I am saying is, taking time to be concerned about only the white majority is a dangerous view. Feeling that harm that might come to a marginalized, brown skinned, minority is of less consequence (in the face of strong examples, including the death of an infant and the assault of a pregnant woman) is extremely dangerous and represents what I saw happen in America.

For the record, none of our responses were good or just, and none of them were worth it.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #14101 on: January 10, 2015, 06:28:19 pm »

Either way, doesn't matter which of them is more serious.

The solution is the same.

Extermination of the Muslim extremists, and the Muslim culture. Here, this picture shows it:
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #14102 on: January 10, 2015, 06:30:00 pm »

More security is dangerous. We deal with an over-militarized police force and violations of our rights regularly for a more "secure" America. The more secure your country, the less free it is.

When tragedies like these happen, people want to run towards more security, but that is when freedom is in the greatest danger.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #14103 on: January 10, 2015, 06:32:43 pm »

Freedom? None of us here have freedom.
And I'm glad for it.

Without a system in place to regulate what they can and can't do, people would be fucking awful. That's why the legal system exists, police, military forces...
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #14104 on: January 10, 2015, 06:35:53 pm »

Freedom? None of us here have freedom.
And I'm glad for it.

Without a system in place to regulate what they can and can't do, people would be fucking awful. That's why the legal system exists, police, military forces...

You have freedom. It's not an all or nothing thing. The scale goes from absolute freedom to police state. I assume france exists somewhere in between like most first world countries.

How much freedom are the French willing to lose over this? I certainly didn't sign on for all the freedom I lost. Are you prepared for your govt to go all NSA and Patriot Act on your asses?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #14105 on: January 10, 2015, 06:37:42 pm »

actually, you are fear mongering as well.

What I am saying is, taking time to be concerned about only the white majority is a dangerous view. Feeling that harm that might come to a marginalized, brown skinned, minority is of less consequence (in the face of strong examples, including the death of an infant and the assault of a pregnant woman) is extremely dangerous and represents what I saw happen in America.

For the record, none of our responses were good or just, and none of them were worth it.

Am i?! i don't think so. i was merely responding to your post about "The most dangerous thing now is..!" by saying: "Nope, the most dangerous thing is still.."

I am also concerned about the jewish minority, which is quite brownish, and evidently, far more likely to be targeted in france these days.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #14106 on: January 10, 2015, 06:40:17 pm »

actually, you are fear mongering as well.

What I am saying is, taking time to be concerned about only the white majority is a dangerous view. Feeling that harm that might come to a marginalized, brown skinned, minority is of less consequence (in the face of strong examples, including the death of an infant and the assault of a pregnant woman) is extremely dangerous and represents what I saw happen in America.

For the record, none of our responses were good or just, and none of them were worth it.

Am i?! i don't think so. i was merely responding to your post about "The most dangerous thing now is..!" by saying: "Nope, the most dangerous thing is still.."

I am also concerned about the jewish minority, which is quite brownish, and evidently, far more likely to be targeted in france these days.

not just by terrorists, but the neo-nazi fringe these acts have riled and empowered.

This fear hurts everyone that isn't white.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #14107 on: January 10, 2015, 06:44:55 pm »

No, what i am saying is that you are fear mongering and that the chances of something serious happening to Muslims/Arabs is far less likely than something serious happening to Jews or Policemen. i would be far more scared being a Jew or a police officer in France right now than being a Muslim Arab, that's for sure.

actually, you are fear mongering as well.

What I am saying is, taking time to be concerned about only the white majority is a dangerous view. Feeling that harm that might come to a marginalized, brown skinned, minority is of less consequence (in the face of strong examples, including the death of an infant and the assault of a pregnant woman) is extremely dangerous and represents what I saw happen in America.

For the record, none of our responses were good or just, and none of them were worth it.


There are multiple minorities in France and not all of them are brown skinned or have islam for their religion. There have been no armed assaults by the white-ish majority on the minorities. There are tens of millions of people capable of, say, striking a mosque, yet there have been none. However, a certain minority group has people joining terrorist groups abroad literally in the thousands and those individuals have been radicalized, and they possess a very real threat to everyone, not just majority. But since the majority are infidels to them, they are a more clear target even if the purpose of attacks would be to just inflict terror.

That said, even the local religious authorities of that certain minority has condemned the latest terrorist attacks, as have most of the countries with an islamic majority around the globe. We all know that, and nobody has suggested that somehow every single individual of that majority in France is a potential terrorist. One of the goals of such strikes is exactly further polarization and increase of tensions between various minorities and the majority, they don't care if people sharing sharing their language, skin color, culture or many aspects of faith will suffer. Everyone will suffer. They're Jihadists.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #14108 on: January 10, 2015, 06:45:18 pm »

It's not an all or nothing thing.
I'm sure there's a whole host of people who would disagree with you on that.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #14109 on: January 10, 2015, 06:49:05 pm »

No, what i am saying is that you are fear mongering and that the chances of something serious happening to Muslims/Arabs is far less likely than something serious happening to Jews or Policemen. i would be far more scared being a Jew or a police officer in France right now than being a Muslim Arab, that's for sure.

actually, you are fear mongering as well.

What I am saying is, taking time to be concerned about only the white majority is a dangerous view. Feeling that harm that might come to a marginalized, brown skinned, minority is of less consequence (in the face of strong examples, including the death of an infant and the assault of a pregnant woman) is extremely dangerous and represents what I saw happen in America.

For the record, none of our responses were good or just, and none of them were worth it.


There are multiple minorities in France and not all of them are brown skinned or have islam for their religion. There have been no armed assaults by the white-ish majority on the minorities. There are tens of millions of people capable of, say, striking a mosque, yet there have been none. However, a certain minority group has people joining terrorist groups abroad literally in the thousands and those individuals have been radicalized, and they possess a very real threat to everyone, not just majority. But since the majority are infidels to them, they are a more clear target even if the purpose of attacks would be to just inflict terror.

That said, even the local religious authorities of that certain minority has condemned the latest terrorist attacks, as have most of the countries with an islamic majority around the globe. We all know that, and nobody has suggested that somehow every single individual of that majority in France is a potential terrorist. One of the goals of such strikes is exactly further polarization and increase of tensions between various minorities and the majority, they don't care if people sharing sharing their language, skin color, culture or many aspects of faith will suffer. Everyone will suffer. They're Jihadists.

This is so incredibly racist I'm just going to repost it as it is. This is the kind of thing I fear. This is where you are headed.

Do white french people never commit crimes in France? We have a lot of mass killers here, and when they are white men they are lone wolves and mentally ill. When they are Muslim they are terrorists and extremists.

Christianity has brought so much suffering and oppression to our country, but no one expects christians to apologize for abortion clinic bombersor the KKK.

The double standards the first world possesses is terrifying.

I assure you, there are plenty of minorities and the majority as well that contribute to terror. What group do you think the neo-nazis in France are composed of?
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #14110 on: January 10, 2015, 06:54:56 pm »

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One of the goals of such strikes is exactly further polarization and increase of tensions between various minorities and the majority, they don't care if people sharing sharing their language, skin color, culture or many aspects of faith will suffer. Everyone will suffer. They're Jihadists.

This seems like the opposite of what a racist would say. It says EVERYONE will suffer, regardless of race. You split everything down to race, and assign blame as such.

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« Reply #14111 on: January 10, 2015, 06:58:15 pm »

Uhh, so saying that (some) islamic people join IS in Syria is racist?

edit: also Smeeprocket please stop assuming everyone is a white male with Christian faith. Those could very well be in the minority.
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« Reply #14112 on: January 10, 2015, 06:59:38 pm »

You people are aware that this is slowly turning towards flames? You might want to put down the keyboards, go to bed and resume typing tomorrow or something.

@Erkki:
No, what she is saying is that people joining IS in Syria isn't something that is specially Islamic.
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Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« Reply #14113 on: January 10, 2015, 07:01:30 pm »

It's very much the WAY you are saying it. As if no other group in France ever turns to terror.

Which is very much not the case. But incidences by white men, especially, are perceived as one offs, isolated incidences. It is a matter of perception.

Minorities committing an act of terror speak for everyone, the majority members doing it are lone wolves.
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« Reply #14114 on: January 10, 2015, 07:03:09 pm »

You people are aware that this is slowly turning towards flames? You might want to put down the keyboards, go to bed and resume typing tomorrow or something.

@Erkki:
No, what she is saying is that people joining IS in Syria isn't something that is specially Islamic.

Ahh yes, it would make sense better I agree.

Any way, I for one always try to say things directly and without any between the lines thoughts (maybe that is a cultural/skin color/religion thing too?  :) ), I think she may be a bit over analyzing and over reacting to what people post.
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