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[tahujdt]

   Confirmed in 2 saves. When you release from jail in 4.07.1a, LCS members are not released. tried both releasing their floor and all floors in both cases. Also tried releasing oppressed. LCS members in jail are ignored.The message won't show. (The real jail, not the cells in police or court)Also the bug with enlightened who can recruit is visual. It says 0/0 recruits instead of can't recruit, but it stays 0/0 even with 600 juice.

I have this issue too. It probably happens because the jailing code doesn't specify which prison.

[Soadreqm]

Also the bug with enlightened who can recruit is visual. It says 0/0 recruits instead of can't recruit, but it stays 0/0 even with 600 juice.

In my experience, conservatives you brainwash fast enough that nobody notices the kidnapping say "Enlightened can't recruit", and the ones that are wanted for rehabilitation say 0/0.

[BoxOfAids]

Getting a bit off topic but still related to this release, I was going ahead and testing the assassination of the CCS Bosses. The Bar and Grill one was really easy, my sleeper got me past the guards and I stealthed my guy over to the Boss and killed him, no problem at all. So then I moved on to the Fallout Shelter. I had used seduction to get the location, but didn't grab the guy as a sleeper, just got the location and broke off the dating. Because of this, I couldn't get past the door. I didn't test it, but would you need 2 stealth guys to be able to get past the entrance undetected? There's always 2 door guards, so if you stabbed one of them, the other would see and you'd go to alarmed state. Since there's no other entrances, would the only way to assassinate the boss then be to have 2 stealth liberals? In any case, I feel that there should be some secondary way in, like maybe a back entrance with only 1 guard but a high-security door that's tough to open, just so that it's somewhat plausible to do one-man-army assassinations.

[Leafsnail]

Is it possible to drop pickup lines to the guards?

[BoxOfAids]

Is it possible to drop pickup lines to the guards?

Only 1, I tried that and it worked once actually, then it wouldn't let me drop a second line to pull of the second guard. Regardless, I'm not sure if I could stealth stab him at that point, since they're aware of your presence.

[Soadreqm]

Yes, overhauling how crimes are tracked isn't terribly glamorous, and is fairly complicated, so it's the type of thing that I'm less likely to work on in favor of other shiny features. Making stealth kills not show up as crimes (or give you heat) is a one line change, however, so I'll do that now and it will show up next release.

Edit: I'll take the assault charge off of successful sneak attacks as well, since it'd be weird to have one and not the other.

After stabbing some people myself, I'd suggest putting the murder charges back. Right now, it basically feels like cheating. :| Despite the LCS taking the credit, no one manages to pin the murders on my stabber. Evading the police with a one-man squad is easy, anyway. Especially a stealthy one-man squad. Even if the cops raid you, you can just sneak past them and slip away.

[Leafsnail]

Pah, who needs stabbing when you have 6 agents armed with machineguns.

Only 1, I tried that and it worked once actually, then it wouldn't let me drop a second line to pull of the second guard. Regardless, I'm not sure if I could stealth stab him at that point, since they're aware of your presence.

Could you then seduce/brainwash the dated guard and get them to let you in?

[tahujdt]

Pah, who needs stabbing when you have 6 agents armed with machineguns.

Only 1, I tried that and it worked once actually, then it wouldn't let me drop a second line to pull of the second guard. Regardless, I'm not sure if I could stealth stab him at that point, since they're aware of your presence.

Could you then seduce/brainwash the dated guard and get them to let you in?

Yep.

[KA101]

Getting a bit off topic but still related to this release, I was going ahead and testing the assassination of the CCS Bosses. The Bar and Grill one was really easy, my sleeper got me past the guards and I stealthed my guy over to the Boss and killed him, no problem at all. So then I moved on to the Fallout Shelter. I had used seduction to get the location, but didn't grab the guy as a sleeper, just got the location and broke off the dating. Because of this, I couldn't get past the door. I didn't test it, but would you need 2 stealth guys to be able to get past the entrance undetected? There's always 2 door guards, so if you stabbed one of them, the other would see and you'd go to alarmed state. Since there's no other entrances, would the only way to assassinate the boss then be to have 2 stealth liberals? In any case, I feel that there should be some secondary way in, like maybe a back entrance with only 1 guard but a high-security door that's tough to open, just so that it's somewhat plausible to do one-man-army assassinations.

I think Fox changed it so you can get past the B&G bouncers without a sleeper; the latter two locations are completely nonpublic, though.  As such I know I didn't make a back door, and haven't gotten that far in my playthroughs to check on the new maps.

(Guard/Bouncer positions always have two people in the current coding--unless the alarm's going off already, at which point they're unstaffed.)

I know I've been able to drop lines to generic Conservative encounters and subsequently fade into the shadows.  Perhaps leaving the encounter and coming back might leave the lone guard and set up a backstab?

[BoxOfAids]

Getting a bit off topic but still related to this release, I was going ahead and testing the assassination of the CCS Bosses. The Bar and Grill one was really easy, my sleeper got me past the guards and I stealthed my guy over to the Boss and killed him, no problem at all. So then I moved on to the Fallout Shelter. I had used seduction to get the location, but didn't grab the guy as a sleeper, just got the location and broke off the dating. Because of this, I couldn't get past the door. I didn't test it, but would you need 2 stealth guys to be able to get past the entrance undetected? There's always 2 door guards, so if you stabbed one of them, the other would see and you'd go to alarmed state. Since there's no other entrances, would the only way to assassinate the boss then be to have 2 stealth liberals? In any case, I feel that there should be some secondary way in, like maybe a back entrance with only 1 guard but a high-security door that's tough to open, just so that it's somewhat plausible to do one-man-army assassinations.

I think Fox changed it so you can get past the B&G bouncers without a sleeper; the latter two locations are completely nonpublic, though.  As such I know I didn't make a back door, and haven't gotten that far in my playthroughs to check on the new maps.

(Guard/Bouncer positions always have two people in the current coding--unless the alarm's going off already, at which point they're unstaffed.)

I know I've been able to drop lines to generic Conservative encounters and subsequently fade into the shadows.  Perhaps leaving the encounter and coming back might leave the lone guard and set up a backstab?

I just realized... even if you backstab the guards, you'd probably set the alarm off before you get to the boss, since people will find the body and set off the alarm after X amount of time. So it seems REALLY implausible to assassinate Bosses anywhere that you don't have Sleepers. Maybe make some change to make it plausible? I like the system, but it seems impossible to do assassinations without Sleepers...

Also, bug that I noticed in this non-SVN version (not sure if fixed yet): Got sleeper for Bar and Grill, attacked it, sleeper gets outed from the attack. Now have no sleeper there. Go into the site with combat squad again, "Go right on through", the door guards acted as if I still had the sleeper active. Weird.

[seth--]

I don't think that is a bug. Banks keep high security for a very, very long time.

It happened only once

It didn't happened in the other two banks or in the same one after the security went back to normal, sounds like a bug to me

[tahujdt]

Getting a bit off topic but still related to this release, I was going ahead and testing the assassination of the CCS Bosses. The Bar and Grill one was really easy, my sleeper got me past the guards and I stealthed my guy over to the Boss and killed him, no problem at all. So then I moved on to the Fallout Shelter. I had used seduction to get the location, but didn't grab the guy as a sleeper, just got the location and broke off the dating. Because of this, I couldn't get past the door. I didn't test it, but would you need 2 stealth guys to be able to get past the entrance undetected? There's always 2 door guards, so if you stabbed one of them, the other would see and you'd go to alarmed state. Since there's no other entrances, would the only way to assassinate the boss then be to have 2 stealth liberals? In any case, I feel that there should be some secondary way in, like maybe a back entrance with only 1 guard but a high-security door that's tough to open, just so that it's somewhat plausible to do one-man-army assassinations.

I think Fox changed it so you can get past the B&G bouncers without a sleeper; the latter two locations are completely nonpublic, though.  As such I know I didn't make a back door, and haven't gotten that far in my playthroughs to check on the new maps.

(Guard/Bouncer positions always have two people in the current coding--unless the alarm's going off already, at which point they're unstaffed.)

I know I've been able to drop lines to generic Conservative encounters and subsequently fade into the shadows.  Perhaps leaving the encounter and coming back might leave the lone guard and set up a backstab?

I just realized... even if you backstab the guards, you'd probably set the alarm off before you get to the boss, since people will find the body and set off the alarm after X amount of time. So it seems REALLY implausible to assassinate Bosses anywhere that you don't have Sleepers. Maybe make some change to make it plausible? I like the system, but it seems impossible to do assassinations without Sleepers...

Also, bug that I noticed in this non-SVN version (not sure if fixed yet): Got sleeper for Bar and Grill, attacked it, sleeper gets outed from the attack. Now have no sleeper there. Go into the site with combat squad again, "Go right on through", the door guards acted as if I still had the sleeper active. Weird.

It should be possible for a high-level sleeper to assassinate people. Maybe around 95-100 percent would work.

[Cheedows]

They would also need stealth skills of course. or there is a chance of being caught

[Elodie Hiras]

Hello!

I've just re-read the interrogation code, and I was wondering if I understood it well.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So, your liberals actually make 2 attacks.

Attack 1: Highest Heart in the party - Highest Wisdom in the party + Twice highest psychology in the party + Armor Interrogation bonus.

Attack 2: Highest Religion, Science and Business in party - target Science, Business, Religion + Lead interrogator Psychology Roll - Target Psychology roll + Number of Liberals in party + number of days since the target was captured + Target heart roll - Twice the target's Wisdom roll + Drugs + Restrains + Props.

It's hard to actually read it, but the code says cr_>Attribute rolls for both heart and wisdom, and cr is also used in the "joinday" calculation.

Now, I've stumbled on some weird things. For some reason, a conservative tied hands and feet is more receptive to enlightenment, while being unable to escape or hurt himself/herself. I think this is not working as intended, because for some reason the attack+=5 line is put in the same brackets as the restrain use (unless I am that bad at code reading). From a gameplay perspective, it is logical to assume that the more risky option (risking evasion/death of hostage) could be more rewarding (easier to succeed in enlightenment), and from a lore perspective, better treatment should be more effective at inducing Stockholm Syndrome.

So next, you take the best attack roll, divide it by 6, and use it as the difficulty for the target's Wisdom check. If the target fails the roll (assuming that the lead interrogator's Psychology skill + the highest Business, Religion or Science in the party is respectively higher than the target's Business, Religion or Science or drugs are successfully used and assuming Liberal psychology -> target's psychology), the target loses juice (if positive) and gains 1 heart. Also, Health loss for using drugs is very random.

So every variable is accounted for, but now that I think about it, why wouldn't someone trained in medicine (called First aid in the game) stand a better chance of using safer doses of hallucinogens to achieve the desired result with less damage? An untrained Liberal would think "More is better" and use potentially lethal doses of drugs, while someone with an absurdly high First aid skill (say 20+) would have almost no chance of using an extra dose causing actual health damage... This is just an idea I threw around, and I could probably mod this in if given the all clear. All that assumes I read the code correctly, which may or may not be true.

[Leafsnail]