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SharkForce

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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2013, 10:56:54 pm »

i wish i could breed my GCSs. i have three so far, all of them male for some reason.

failing that i made them trainable and biologically immortal.

you could probably make that work too. i mean, i've never tested it, but if you copy the female caste child stuff into the male caste, who knows what might happen?
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2013, 11:14:15 pm »

It doesn't work, is what happens.  :-\
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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2013, 06:54:41 am »

What about a whole bunch of venomous snakes?
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Re: Best war animals
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2013, 07:24:43 am »

What about a whole bunch of venomous snakes?
Helmet snakes, Giant Desert Scorpions or Giant Cave Spiders.

Throw a disarmed goblin with a helmet on down a pit full of those on a stockpile of your weapons. Your weapons will end up covered in their venoms.

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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2013, 07:37:14 am »

I prefer polar bears personally, but those are good too.

Yeah, but this being Dwarf Fortress, Toady should consider introducing Cave Bears (or, somebody should write an easy-to-insert mod, hint, hint).  Have you ever seen a comparison chart showing the sizes of various bears?  Cave bears make even polar bears and Kodiak bears look tiny!  To quote a paragraph from the Wiki article on cave bears:


“Between the years 1917-1923, the Drachenloch cave in Switzerland was excavated by Emil Bächler. The excavation uncovered more than 30,000 cave bear skeletons. It also uncovered a stone chest or cist consisting of a low wall built from limestone slabs near a cave wall with a number of bear skulls inside it. Also, a cave bear skull was found with a femur bone from another bear stuck inside it. Scholarship speculated that this was proof of prehistoric human religious rites involving the cave bear, or that the Drachenloch cave bear were hunted as part of a hunting ritual or that the skulls were kept as trophies.[33]”

So there you have it: Humongous bears, interaction with sapients prior to extinction, and totems!  War Cave Bear v. Jabberwock: place your bets …


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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2013, 07:48:13 am »

What about a whole bunch of venomous snakes?
Helmet snakes, Giant Desert Scorpions or Giant Cave Spiders.

Throw a disarmed goblin with a helmet on down a pit full of those on a stockpile of your weapons. Your weapons will end up covered in their venoms.

Nice, I gotta remember that one.

Perhaps one could also send out a supplemental swarm of snakes along with whatever bears or dragons you choose. They'd be annoying, slow attackers, and poison a bunch. In theory anyway.
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2013, 08:20:53 am »

What about a whole bunch of venomous snakes?
Helmet snakes, Giant Desert Scorpions or Giant Cave Spiders.

Throw a disarmed goblin with a helmet on down a pit full of those on a stockpile of your weapons. Your weapons will end up covered in their venoms.

how does that work?  they inject upon biting.
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Re: Best war animals
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2013, 09:05:25 am »

how does that work?  they inject upon biting.
They are messy biters that get extract everywhere.

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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2013, 01:38:55 pm »

Yeah, but this being Dwarf Fortress, Toady should consider introducing Cave Bears (or, somebody should write an easy-to-insert mod, hint, hint).  Have you ever seen a comparison chart showing the sizes of various bears?  Cave bears make even polar bears and Kodiak bears look tiny! 

Short-faced bears are another option; they were about twice as heavy as Kodiak bears and around ten to twelve feet long.
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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2013, 02:16:11 pm »

A legion of war trained killer Rabbits. :)
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« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2013, 03:02:53 pm »

how does that work?  they inject upon biting.
They are messy biters that get extract everywhere.
Yes, but I believe the question is about how the venom soaked weapons apply the venom to their foes. I thought the syndrome only worked if they were injected from the animal. I thought goblins with open arteries could take baths in this stuff (Yes, I realize you can't have "pools" of contaminants, hypothetical scenario) without contracting the syndrome, because it had to be injected by a bite from the appropriate animal.

However, I would love to be wrong.
Also, if this works, about how long would the weapon remain laced with poison? Would it only be effective for a single slice? Several slices? Or, more or less, permanent.
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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2013, 04:03:25 pm »

However, I would love to be wrong.
Also, if this works, about how long would the weapon remain laced with poison? Would it only be effective for a single slice? Several slices? Or, more or less, permanent.
It works with darts covered in venom, plus someone did it with bolts and I've done it with axes. Something about how weapons do count as being an attack that breaks through tissue layers like a bite that makes it work, whereas sitting in a pool of venom with open wounds is not yet treated as actually entering the body. Effective for as long as the weapons keep their venom covering. So don't store them in the rain.

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« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2013, 04:12:52 pm »

It works with darts covered in venom, plus someone did it with bolts and I've done it with axes. Something about how weapons do count as being an attack that breaks through tissue layers like a bite that makes it work, whereas sitting in a pool of venom with open wounds is not yet treated as actually entering the body. Effective for as long as the weapons keep their venom covering. So don't store them in the rain.
That's awesome. Assassin squads and paralyzing marksdwarves. I could get all of the fun of an army of GCS without harming my precious GCS!
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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2013, 04:29:37 pm »

A legion of war trained killer Rabbits. :)

"Killer Rabbits" from someone named Sir Crashalot is too easily a Monty Python joke.
Good one, though.  :)
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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2013, 06:48:16 pm »

what if dwarves
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could train UNICORNS?
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