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[Egan_BW]

PogChamp

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[Greiger]

SO if I understand everything that happened:

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 Cat touched the protection from evil amulet making it touch murderhobbit. Waking him up.  Murder hobbit decides to put his berzerker level to good use and rages, and combines his berzerker damage bonus with a power attack bonus and a backstab bonus (can you do all that?) creating a damage multiplier that would make warframe weapons blush dusting minion #1, and then rages against the antimagic shell trying to reach Vlad.  Likely the dm choosing his targets for him due to his rage state, letting the other vampire minion flee.

Meanwhile Vlad and Urist are having a mental battle, as Urist chose his time to strike very wisely(get it he is a cleric with high wis?) and rolled like 5 natural 20s in a row and basically pulled a crowning moment of awesome blasting Vlad with so much positive energy it makes an epic level channel divinity look like a nightlight.

That essentially sum it up?

[Rolan7]

Baaaasically, just not the details.  He doesn't have sneak attack (and it doesn't work on undead), and you can't power attack with light weapons (if he even has power attack).
Also those three sources add damage, not multiply.  And I don't think they those bonuses would be multiplied by a crit, if a crit were possible against undead.

However, you're probably right that he's raging, and thanks for reminding me that he has barbarian level(s)!  I missed that.
You're probably right about the amulet, too, though that part's weird.  Mechanically pain doesn't cure getting "knocked out" (taking nonlethal damage).  Oh... giantitp forums probably already said this, but maaaybe the pain triggered a rage, which gives temporary hit points, which *could* (temporarily) make him conscious again!

But yeah he basically is just really good at killing undead (ranger favored enemy), raging, and a high level melee PC with magic daggers.

[Digital Hellhound]

Or maybe the 'DM' decided it was narratively appropriate. Rule 0, bitches.

[TD1]

So what with what just happened to Durkon, is he now a dwarf again? Or is he still a vampire, just.... good?

[Criptfeind]

You're probably right about the amulet, too, though that part's weird.  Mechanically pain doesn't cure getting "knocked out" (taking nonlethal damage).  Oh... giantitp forums probably already said this, but maaaybe the pain triggered a rage, which gives temporary hit points, which *could* (temporarily) make him conscious again!

I think this theory has been brought up here before, but it's looking pretty possible and relevant:

On the Amulet activation waking Belkar up, I wonder if it has to do with how he was dominated. The vampire notes that he only needed a small push to act how he did when dominated, and what he does is... Sorta technically his job. "Protecting" V. I have to wonder if the vampires dominated him, and realizing that he's just such a fucking contrary asshole decided  that giving him orders would be constantly going against his nature, thus giving him lots of new will saves with bonuses attached to them, and instead ordered him along the lines of following his orders in a very assholeish and counter productive way, which would be very with in his nature, and thus he wouldn't get more saves against it. You'll notice he's pretty much undamaged, and only go down when Roy orders him to stay down. So it's possible he wasn't knocked out at all, but rather just laying on the ground "staying down" still dominated. When the amulet is activated it suppresses his domination and allows him to act freely.

So what with what just happened to Durkon, is he now a dwarf again? Or is he still a vampire, just.... good?

I'm pretty sure he's still a vampire, just a good one now with his old personality (or rather a copy of it... Although a sorta academic point at that point) in control.

[Egan_BW]

Yeah, my theory is that he wasn't knocked out, he was just dominated with orders to follow orders when Roy knocked him prone and told him to stay down.

[crazyabe]

But yeah he basically is just really good at killing undead (ranger favored enemy), raging, and a high level melee PC with magic daggers.

Really, the only way he could be any better at killing them is if they were *Human* Vampires.

[Egan_BW]

Poncho *was* a human, right?

[Rolan7]

So what with what just happened to Durkon, is he now a dwarf again? Or is he still a vampire, just.... good?

Pretty sure it's anyone's guess, and I'm guessing "good vampire" dead.  Blood cables didn't get broken, nothing got cast, technically the vampire just absorbed the memories in a weird way.
It's certainly possible vampirism is so curse-based that the physical changes reverse now, but in that case I'd sorta expect him to die instead. 

In fact that might be the actual outcome here.  Durkon becomes a corpse (one last self-sacrificing slap in the face to poor Belkar).  Hel's thwarted.  But Durkon refuses to accept resurrection.  He'll certainly be with Thor (he died saving Belkar, arguably both times) but some of the other dwarves here might be Hel-bound.  Dunno if getting murdered before you can fight back counts.

... Heh, longshot, but what if the evil dwarf who was cooperating with her vampire gets chosen to be raised and join the party?  That could be interesting. 
Then again I don't remember if they actually have the diamonds anymore, there was some talk of spending them on something.

Ninja'd:  Right, Poncho!  But... huh, is she human?  What's she doing here?  She does look tall.

[Lord Shonus]

Baaaasically, just not the details.  He doesn't have sneak attack (and it doesn't work on undead), and you can't power attack with light weapons (if he even has power attack).
Also those three sources add damage, not multiply.  And I don't think they those bonuses would be multiplied by a crit, if a crit were possible against undead.

However, you're probably right that he's raging, and thanks for reminding me that he has barbarian level(s)!  I missed that.
You're probably right about the amulet, too, though that part's weird.  Mechanically pain doesn't cure getting "knocked out" (taking nonlethal damage).  Oh... giantitp forums probably already said this, but maaaybe the pain triggered a rage, which gives temporary hit points, which *could* (temporarily) make him conscious again!

But yeah he basically is just really good at killing undead (ranger favored enemy), raging, and a high level melee PC with magic daggers.

He almost certainly stabbed Ponchula in the back with a wooden stake (the pencil-looking thing he's holding), which takes a vamp down until the stake is removed. He then cut her head off to "destroy the body", completing the kill.



EDIT: The "host cooperating with her vampire" was Ponchula, who was human.

[Rolan7]

He almost certainly stabbed Ponchula in the back with a wooden stake (the pencil-looking thing he's holding), which takes a vamp down until the stake is removed. He then cut her head off to "destroy the body", completing the kill.

Thanks, I see it now!  Heh, I wonder if he has a decanter of endless water too.

[Egan_BW]

...But he stabbed her in the back with the dagger, not the stake.

[Criptfeind]

You can see on panel 11 he has a wooden Stake that's about to stab into her back, and on panel 13 it's gone, presumably driven into her heart as he simultaneously chops off her head.

[Egan_BW]

We can see his other hand while he's doing the decapitating, and I'd assume that an important combat beat like that would not happen off screen.