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Re: Space Thread
« Reply #2970 on: December 26, 2018, 09:38:33 am »

Hey, don't be like that. Your life never had any meaning in the first place!
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« Reply #2971 on: December 26, 2018, 09:44:19 am »

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« Reply #2972 on: December 26, 2018, 01:55:06 pm »

I thought the people on earth didnt have data about the planets because they could only get a plain “still here” signal through the wormhole or something plot-based
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« Reply #2973 on: December 26, 2018, 02:11:24 pm »

I thought the people on earth didnt have data about the planets because they could only get a plain “still here” signal through the wormhole or something plot-based

The paradox would continue, because then, earth received 50 years of "still-here" signals, while acctually, only a few days of signal has acctually been sent.
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« Reply #2974 on: December 26, 2018, 05:33:48 pm »

It's been a while since I saw it (when it came out), but I think it was a basic confirmation signal. They knew they couldn't get high bandwidth, they may even have had a mediating probe receive the (instantaneous-but-drawn-out) planetary signal, deal with its temporal issues and further help to extend its range back to Earth by acting as a latched relay.

IRL, the Voyager craft are working at around 160baud, currently, though they may have been faster during the Saturn encounter, apparently the location of this end of the wormhole. There's strangeness in passage through the wormhole, then the issues of travel from the other end. It is conceivable that even with current/near-future improvements to probe/spacecraft communications, the far end (and middle) of the outreach is already problematic, before the extreme doppler-esque slowdown.

If a full-handshaking mode could be established, then status updates might be prompted for (even if it takes a while), but I imagine the inflexibility of the transmitter (may only be able to ramp up its frequency so far, possibly only to the limits of the sending circuit, requiring the earth receiver/relay to adjust down to the ultra-low frequency it still would become) means that it may have been designed to be more UDPish than TCPish in its protocol, given how abnormally latency-tolerant it needs to be.


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« Reply #2975 on: December 26, 2018, 07:35:02 pm »

I thought the people on earth didnt have data about the planets because they could only get a plain “still here” signal through the wormhole or something plot-based

The paradox would continue, because then, earth received 50 years of "still-here" signals, while acctually, only a few days of signal has acctually been sent.
Didn't saw the movie, but i would guess the speed of the signal was distorted by the wormhole too.

Imagine you are sending me as bluray copy of Interstellar to me here via a file host(the wormhole), your upload speed is 1gbps thanks to google fiber, so you are done in a few minutes. On my side, with a 256kbps I'll have to spend days/weeks down loading it.
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« Reply #2976 on: April 05, 2019, 09:45:33 am »

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« Reply #2977 on: April 05, 2019, 03:58:59 pm »

Japanese declare war on SPAAAAACE!!!
I thought it was going to be a repeat of India's bright idea to launch a missile at a satellite in Earth orbit, destroying it and potentially threatening the ISS with debris.
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« Reply #2978 on: April 05, 2019, 06:14:47 pm »

First, we need to send George Clooney and/or Sandra Bullock up there for that.
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« Reply #2979 on: April 05, 2019, 06:39:50 pm »

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« Reply #2980 on: April 05, 2019, 07:33:24 pm »

Because it's been done and probably won't help with our constellation of orbital debris one bit, but it hasn't done what it did to Clooney et al (it still could cause a cascade, but then so could any other random bit of debris that was already there).

What I find most worrying is, as seemingly revealed by the shuffling of participants in that spacewalk the other day, they might not be able to put everybody in a space-suit in an (slow-enough developing but inevitable) emergency. One sort of assumed they had kit enough for at least transfer between modules the wrong side of a breached central hub, should they find themselves needing to, without needing to do double-duty with some of them (undonning them and getting a still-suited colleague to take them back for the next wearer).

So maybe in such a slow-emergency they'd make do with slightly awkward sizings, and less fuss about the need for comfortably-fitting equipment for extended work, but emergencies don't tend to even be that slow (Russian-style microleaks aside) so you tend to imagine there'd be a set of good-enough-to-leap-into suits of at least the same number as the crew (but ideally a multiple of that, sets placed round the rig in whatever spare internal space they can cram them into).

Or maybe it's just not worth it given the number/proportion of scenarios where the emergency is basically so quick there's no chance at all of doing anything about it. Cost/benefit actuarial analysis doesn't justify the space and weight needed, so they only have two each of the US and Russian 'spacewalk' suits, and would rely on their individual limited-protection 'travel' suit for any very brief episodes of depressurised exposure protection (no real thermal maintenance or micrometeoroid-armouring)..

It's a corner I'm not comfortable to find being cut. But I'm not the one trained to take account of the risks.
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« Reply #2981 on: April 05, 2019, 09:38:28 pm »

There is no "just jumping into it" in spacesuits. It literally takes hours to get suited up into one of those things.
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« Reply #2982 on: April 05, 2019, 10:06:09 pm »

Yes, when you're going to abandon your sort of Ok environment-inna-can for a planned period of swanning around in the somewhat less conducive expanses of space.

If/when your can clearly isn't going to do its job of delineating the two (and without a rather conspicuously busy Maxwellesque demon interfering, or a rogue Voyager probe returned with a heckova lot of assimilated capabilities, when things even out bestween the two it really won't do too much to improve the outside), there will be a plan of sorts, and even if it's not the First Immediate Action, some of the crew (depending upon precise circumstances and the options still open to to pursuit) may well be required to fast-track the suiting up process.

It is the fact that it rcannot be an option for everyone that I was commenting on, mainly.
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« Reply #2983 on: April 05, 2019, 10:10:47 pm »

Or maybe it's just not worth it given the number/proportion of scenarios where the emergency is basically so quick there's no chance at all of doing anything about it. Cost/benefit actuarial analysis doesn't justify the space and weight needed, so they only have two each of the US and Russian 'spacewalk' suits, and would rely on their individual limited-protection 'travel' suit for any very brief episodes of depressurised exposure protection (no real thermal maintenance or micrometeoroid-armouring)..

A more optimistic version of that thinking is operational practice, yes. The ISS moves around any debris big enough to track and is designed to withstand micrometeoroid impacts, and for everything between there's always two Soyuz to serve as storm cellars or lifeboats, putting abnormally high debris concentration in broadly the same boat as other bad space weather. That leaves just random chunks of debris in a very specific size range as the only way for the station to lose pressure without the astronauts already able to leave, and that's a constant but very unlikely hazard.
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« Reply #2984 on: April 06, 2019, 12:28:17 am »

Yes, when you're going to abandon your sort of Ok environment-inna-can for a planned period of swanning around in the somewhat less conducive expanses of space.

If/when your can clearly isn't going to do its job of delineating the two (and without a rather conspicuously busy Maxwellesque demon interfering, or a rogue Voyager probe returned with a heckova lot of assimilated capabilities, when things even out bestween the two it really won't do too much to improve the outside), there will be a plan of sorts, and even if it's not the First Immediate Action, some of the crew (depending upon precise circumstances and the options still open to to pursuit) may well be required to fast-track the suiting up process.

It is the fact that it rcannot be an option for everyone that I was commenting on, mainly.

Putting a proper EVA suit on takes like a minimum of 15 minutes, with help from multiple people, on Earth, without the issues of microgravity or a trillion checks or the one-hour acclimatisation to the low pressure high oxygen atmosphere (which is the first thing you could skip in an emergency . It’s made of a whole bunch of smaller pieces, each of which is bulky as hell and you become increasingly restricted as you put more and more of it on.
Those interior flight suits which are vacuum rates but not space-rated probbably take less because they’re slim lined (but also not designed for leaving the vehicle at all) and are probbably what the crew put on in the case of a breach (Since I believe they’re stored in the Soyuz escape pods as they’re needed for re entry, and that’s where the crew go if there’s a problem with the main ISS
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