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[Xantalos]

"...but why?"

Spoiler: Alan's current expression. Not pictured: any sensibility or sense of mercy (click to show/hide)

[Harry Baldman]

"I mean, that's not an indictment of the creative abilities of all the sub-gods. It's just entirely possible that a bona fide God, from what you've told me, the guy who can make the Big Bang when he's not even trying, eclipses the concerns, hopes and dreams of all of his creations by his mere existence and basically anything he creates is like a microbe in the face of his infinite divine potential. It's the sort of thing that the best bar conversations are built upon in my experience, except in this case the things described are actually within our reach in a sense. It's cool to think about. It's possible that none of it's true, of course. You'd probably know better than I would."

"The fact remains, though, that the scope of the universe makes common concerns ultimately insignificant. And once you bring in multiverses, ultraverses, monsterverses, omnipotent beings and infinite creation, all manner and number of things suddenly become very local, very small. It's a beautiful thing, insignificance."

[Lenglon]

"You don't know the guy, and you're overestimating how much he overshadowed us by a lot."

[Harry Baldman]

"You don't know the guy, and you're overestimating how much he overshadowed us by a lot."

"He's where your creative powers came from if I understand correctly. The "shell". What made you a demiurge was that he let you use his tools, no? Which means that ultimately he's the omnipotent creator. He's the guy who can afford to move on to other projects. And the deities in that scenario are the middle managers of the creation process. Well-intentioned, useful, but ultimately expendable and shackled to the ground rules initially established. Advisers and overseers with limited administrative access. Could you make a new universe and a set of deities equal to you in power, for instance?"

"All I know is what you're telling me, once again. But you seem to know the guy. What was he like?"

[Lenglon]

"We could do exactly that actually. I personally revised the framework he left and ran it on my own power instead of his for a period while he was away. He was a frustrated, detached, and bored being. He felt everything was too predictable generally, yet he insisted on clarity in what we did and acted to reduce chaos. He decided the other nine were too secure some time after I stepped down, and arbitrarilly established the Deityheart system to make them killable. He wanted risk and excitement in existance. He was intermittantly active and involved in the work we did, and wouldn't have just ended things like they did, with by definition the most boring of endings."

[Harry Baldman]

"Ooh, now that's a different affair then. Your expositron said something a lot different, is all. Honestly, a lot of it is pretty self-contradictory. There's no time, but there is time. God leaves, but he's still around. You use a god-shell to create the universe, but you can do god things without it, so what's even the point? Might be what contributes to a certain lack of investment in the outcome by God himself, perhaps."

"Though I'd still say it's well in line with what I know of frustrated, detached and bored beings to break creations that dissatisfy them. It's the stereotypical artist. They want to be great, but everything they make looks like shit to them. So they never finish anything, abandon most things and destroy the more ambitious ones before anyone finds out how badly they failed. It's not really a boring ending to a story - it's the logical consequence to the thought 'I don't care what happens to these people'. You drop the story is what you do in that case."

"But what I'm more curious about is what 'power' is in this case, though. Did gods in your universe have a quantifiable power output or something?"

[DarkArtemisFowl]

"So... no idea? Seems a little weird if there'd be aliens that had nothing to do with your multiversal threat. Just chugging along after that one sentient race in the corner of the galaxy got snuffed by their own psychic emanations or something."

"I'm sure there were 'aliens,' but it's not like Eido was going to wait until multiple sentient species met together to combat the Shadows. There may have been many more generations and Guardians in different galaxies, fighting against the Shadows all the same. In the end, we never met any other Guardians. Only four generations came together from different worlds or universes that I encountered. Besides, since we were supposed to be the last Guardians, we wouldn't have gotten a chance to find out."

[Lenglon]

"'My power' as in me pushing a door open. It's more a matter of who is doing it than a value of quantifiable power."

[Harry Baldman]

"'My power' as in me pushing a door open. It's more a matter of who is doing it than a value of quantifiable power."

"So what did you lose when you stepped down, exactly?"

[Lenglon]

"Everything that made me a deity. The ability to rewrite reality, the knowlege of everything everywhere, all of it. I can't get specific with you on how that changed things though, which I think is what you're asking. It's like... a person born blind asking someone who was blinded in an accident what they lost when they became blind. I could try to explain, but it just plain doesn't work."

[Harry Baldman]

"So you basically just turned into what you are now, then?"

[Lenglon]

"Mostly. The Entities did a lot of redesign and broke some things."

[Harry Baldman]

"What, really? They didn't do that for me. Or did they?"

Ike considers things a moment.

"I guess they might have made me a bit faster? Not sure why though. To make it sporting or something?"

[Lenglon]

"I'm a lot weaker than I used to be. My range is shorter, my control is much weaker, and changing forms..."
I shudder.
"So, maybe?"

[Tiruin]

Being quiet the whole time her friends were talking, Theri mused over the importance of listening. She found joy in thinking about the simple things: Like being able to listen to your friends speak and ponder over the complex things.

"There are better ways than to provoke someone while they feel uncomfortable, especially if it's someone in the 'hotseat'. But while you're all doing that, what's our current bearing? I forgot that bit there."