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[smurfingtonthethird]

Anybody remember whether or not the Gauss rifles use superconductors?

Unless the supergenerator needs them, probably not.

[Parisbre56]

Anybody remember whether or not the Gauss rifles use superconductors?

Unless the supergenerator needs them, probably not.

Why not? I'm not a physics expert but isn't the strength of magnetic fields generated by conductors related to the current going through them? So superconductor->less resistance->more current->stronger magnetic field->faster projectile.

[Corsair]

Anybody remember whether or not the Gauss rifles use superconductors?

Unless the supergenerator needs them, probably not.

Why not? I'm not a physics expert but isn't the strength of magnetic fields generated by conductors related to the current going through them? So superconductor->less resistance->more current->stronger magnetic field->faster projectile.

Yeah but superconductors are still a bitch to keep cold, copper wires are far easier

[smurfingtonthethird]

Why not? I'm not a physics expert but isn't the strength of magnetic fields generated by conductors related to the current going through them? So superconductor->less resistance->more current->stronger magnetic field->faster projectile.

You can get projectile speeds of 42m/s with current technology without superconductors. That's fast enough.

The “CG-42″ Gauss Machine Gun

[Parisbre56]

Anybody remember whether or not the Gauss rifles use superconductors?

Unless the supergenerator needs them, probably not.

Why not? I'm not a physics expert but isn't the strength of magnetic fields generated by conductors related to the current going through them? So superconductor->less resistance->more current->stronger magnetic field->faster projectile.

Yeah but superconductors are still a bitch to keep cold, copper wires are far easier

You could use a room temperature superconductor, if one has been discovered. There's also Stanene, which is technically not a superconductor but does have very small resistance at room temperature.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanene

[NAV]

Why not? I'm not a physics expert but isn't the strength of magnetic fields generated by conductors related to the current going through them? So superconductor->less resistance->more current->stronger magnetic field->faster projectile.

You can get projectile speeds of 42m/s with current technology without superconductors. That's fast enough.

The “CG-42″ Gauss Machine Gun

42 m/s isn't very fast for a bullet. The muzzle velocity of a glock is 375 m/s.

[Tack]

Tinker idea:

Take the head off a normal spear, put a kinetic force amp on the stump of the haft, with short heavy springs to either side. Clip the head to the springs, maybe with a click-on attachment, or a push'ntwist lightbulb type deal.


Basic premise.
Step 1: Stab enemy with spear.
Step 2: Impact of kinetic force amp against spearhead will cause it to massively increase the amount of power behind the jab. Anything less than superdense metal will probably explode into fragments of molten metal not dissimilar to a shaped charge explosive. A superdense spearhead will possibly just shoot off into the distance, if the armor is thin enough for complete penetration.
Step 3: Replace spearhead. Reloads in much the same way as a modern RPG.


I call it the suicide spear.
Test this idea in VR Put a hold on this idea until after mission.

[syvarris]

First, what would you really gain over a standard kinetic amp?  A bit of range, and a little bit of force.  Spears do most of their damage because they have a really sharp point, and this ruins that because you're using a kin amp-- It has identical surface area to the standard punching glove.

Also, why would the springs do anything aside from reduce damage?  It would reduce the amount of initial force that connects, and the explosion would probably push the weapon back before the spring could push any more force into the target.  Plus I think kin amps only apply their force for a moment.

All that being said, it would be really cheap.  Remove the springs and you might even be able to get it for free from the armory.  If not, ask one of the amp smiths for a long metal baton. 

...

Oh, and you really want to change your action right now.  If you keep it as-is, Nyars will break your kneecaps.  No Tinker until mission's over.

[GreatWyrmGold]

First, what would you really gain over a standard kinetic amp?  A bit of range, and a little bit of force.  Spears do most of their damage because they have a really sharp point, and this ruins that because you're using a kin amp-- It has identical surface area to the standard punching glove.

The spear-point is on the other end of the amp, and it was discovered by an investigative player that the operative part of the kinamp is a small chip-like thing.

Also, why would the springs do anything aside from reduce damage?  It would reduce the amount of initial force that connects, and the explosion would probably push the weapon back before the spring could push any more force into the target.  Plus I think kin amps only apply their force for a moment.
All that being said, it would be really cheap.  Remove the springs and you might even be able to get it for free from the armory.  If not, ask one of the amp smiths for a long metal baton. 
...
Oh, and you really want to change your action right now.  If you keep it as-is, Nyars will break your kneecaps.  No Tinker until mission's over.

Agreed.


This makes me think of something.
Retroactively look up all available information about the power source that got taken back in Mission 1.

[PyroDesu]

((I'm going to assume Simus and co. are desynced from reality in Tinker at the moment, though only for talking - no actions. Since this entire thing was supposed to be over before the timeskip, but I ran out of time. The minor effect (number of rooms off the boardroom) can be retroactive. In reality, they're all taking part in the current activities.))

But will it be a problem? As you might have seen, I can be brash at times, or appear to be. Criticism will flow freely in this base, though most always intended to be constructive.

[syvarris]

@GWG
Huh.  I didn't realize he said to clip the head back on.  I thought he meant to make an amp baton... I need to work on my reading comprehension.

That would probably make it more effective, although single shot.  It'd still be useful as a long-ranged kin amp.


Also, I forgot to post this bit of RP before.

Steve listens carefully as Simus reviews his work, his expression static.  He responds once she finishes with the others

"I tested how Altered would deal with a battlesuit mostly because the battlesuit was designed to combat them.  Presumably, I may have missed some function of the suit, or misunderstood the use of some function, and watching a battlesuit fight them would have helped prevent that.  I didn't intend to learn from how the Altered fought; I intended to learn from how the battlesuit fought.

And thank you for the recommendation.  I'll keep that in mind when I make my decision."

[Corsair]

((I'm going to assume Simus and co. are desynced from reality in Tinker at the moment, though only for talking - no actions. Since this entire thing was supposed to be over before the timeskip, but I ran out of time. The minor effect (number of rooms off the boardroom) can be retroactive. In reality, they're all taking part in the current activities.))

But will it be a problem? As you might have seen, I can be brash at times, or appear to be. Criticism will flow freely in this base, though most always intended to be constructive.

"No no it won't, I am to paraphrase charles - single minded yet flexible - I can take criticism, flat denial by pulling rank and ignoring all attempts at justification is all that rankles me, although I understand how you took it the wrong way originally, in anything involving my work with a superior I have no experience with I assume the worst until I know them: Now I know you to a degree and see you are a fairer leader than most I ever seen "

[Tack]

That would probably make it more effective, although single shot.  It'd still be useful as a long-ranged kin amp.

((The basic idea is to have it as an armor-killer.

Reason for springs is simple- you need something which will keep the spearhead off the active end of the kinetic amp until you actually want to stab with it, yet will still allow it to touch the amp when you stab with it.

Reason for spear is simple- Kinetic amp behind a sharp point is hopefully more deadly than kinetic amp on the end of your fist.

Hopefully it'll do good work as a shaped charge on a stick, spearheads hopefully being pretty cheap to replace.
The reason I use a kinetic amp instead of an actual shaped charge on a stick is for better management. Explosives have to deal with that whole newton's law thing, so it'd kick like a bitch. Kinetic amp is all forward motion.

Also, on the subject of reading comprehension, I wouldn't term it as 'one use'.
The idea is to have a ready supply of spearheads, and just replace them as the kinetic amp demolishes them.))

[Sean Mirrsen]

The kinetic amp works in such a way that anything attached to it will fly off into the distance after the first impact. The spear tip will shoot off and turn a powerful kinetic impact into a dangerous, but completely superfluous piercing attack.

And it will be patently useless against armored targets - the spear tip will splatter on impact like a bullet, instead of the amp delivering all of the amplified force into the armor and the target directly. You're better off shooting spearheads from a gauss accelerator, at least you're not limited to 20 shots per 3 tokens.

[Tack]

The kinetic amp works in such a way that anything attached to it will fly off into the distance after the first impact.

That's only if it actually penetrates whatever you're shoving it up against.

However, good point on the theory that it might just end up acting as a crumple zone between the amp and the armor it's hitting.
A heavier spearhead, maybe?

(And also my character is good with uncon and terrible with con... So Gauss accelerator isn't exactly on cards for him specifically.)